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View Poll Results: Do you want a copy of your judging sheet?
I am primarily a CBJ and would like my results. 2 5.88%
I am primarily a CBJ and would NOT like my results. 0 0%
I am primarily a cook and would NOT like my results. 1 2.94%
I am primarily a cook and would like my results. 26 76.47%
I do not care either way. 5 14.71%
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Unread 09-05-2007, 07:28 PM   #1
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With the debate going on about judging, it has got me to thinking about a poll!

As a team, all I have to go on for scores is the final sheet provided by the reps. If I judge a contest I get nothing showing my scores. I would be interested to see how many teams and judges would like to see this addressed by KCBS?

I would like to see the scoring sheet be a three part card. 2 NCR(carbon-less paper) sheets of paper and the last sheet a hard copy. The top sheet would go to the judge, the second sheet to the team and the third sheet to KCBS. It has been awhile since I judged, I am not even sure if the judges name and KCBS number go on the current sheet. If it does that info would only be on the sheet that goes to KCBS.

It would be nice to know that the scores I received from the judge are the same that were on my final tally sheet. I would also like to see KCBS institute a policy of pen ink instead of pencil. That way there is no way a person can say a score was changed by anyone else!
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Unread 09-05-2007, 07:50 PM   #2
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As a cook, I have no desire to get a dirty scorecard with BBQ sauce induced fingerprints. Aren't the score's double counted when entered into the computer for accuracy by two different people ?

Where I thought you were asking was for the judges to get to see the scores from the other judges at their table so they can evaluate their measurements compared to their peers who judged the same food. That may or may not help bring more consistency to a judge who finds out they are overly critical or too free in their high assessments.

Pens might help, but it can be crossed out. What is the exact rule about a judge fully erasing a score or crossing out. If the table captain or rep see a score changed but can't makle out the judges original scoring, what is supposed to get done ? You can't penalize the team right ?
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jsut to clarify..

are u asking if we(cooks) would like to see the actual judging cards in addition to the computrer printout?
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Bentley,

IMHO, I can see no reason to get the gopped up saucy score sheets from the judges. I am very satisfied that that were transferred properly and the score sheets reflect my true scores. I don't think there is any reason for "Hanging Chad" allegations at a BBQ contest. I am however, in favor of having checklisted feedback cards filled out by every judge at the contest and distributed to the teams.
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I really don't see what you are seeing with the cards that you don't already see on the sheets - other than a possible change - which I'm sure has happened in the past, but I have no reason to believe it's the norm.

I'd like to know how many judges were certified vs non-certified that were judging as well as scores given by certified vs. non.
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jsut to clarify..

are u asking if we(cooks) would like to see the actual judging cards in addition to the computrer printout?

Yes.

But I guess it would have to be an 8 part form so that each team would get results. Chit, we all know this will never happen, just dreaming!
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[quote=KC_Bobby;456884]I really don't see what you are seeing with the cards that you don't already see on the sheets - other than a possible change - which I'm sure has happened in the past, but I have no reason to believe it's the norm.

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I guess most people are just a lot more trusting than me! I guess I just have seen what some reps will do at contests and I did not like it!
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I really wouldn't care to see the judging cards when I cook, but when I judge I would like to see how my scores were compared to the other judges at my table. It wouldn't have to have any judges number on it except yours. I think I judge very fairly, but I'm not sure that that is the case with all judges.

I think that the KCBS needs to make sure that everyone understands that the BBQ they are going to judge is competition BBQ not commercial. I think that is why some of the scores are so crazy sometimes.
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Where I thought you were asking was for the judges to get to see the scores from the other judges at their table so they can evaluate their measurements compared to their peers who judged the same food. That may or may not help bring more consistency to a judge who finds out they are overly critical or too free in their high assessments.
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I guess most people are just a lot more trusting than me! I guess I just have seen what some reps will do at contests and I did not like it!
Not sure what you saw the reps do, but if they did something inappropriate, did you report it to KCBS ? If so, did you get a response ?
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Usually judges are reminded about not changing their score, no erasing or crossing out. Also the table captain will usually check each card to ensure the judge filled out each entry/category, i.e. no blanks and that their CBJ number is entered.
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To me it is what it is. You aren't going to change anyone's mind. You already get your scores on a sheet and you can see by that if and where you need to concentrate on improvements and that's good enough for me.
I used to complain over and over but have come to the conclusion that there is a judge at every table that scores something low. You are not always going to get great scores.
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Aren't the score's double counted when entered into the computer for accuracy by two different people ?
Well I've certainly never seen that, unless it happens after the CBJs leave the room, even though they are entering the scores during the next turn in...
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Not sure what you saw the reps do, but if they did something inappropriate, did you report it to KCBS ? If so, did you get a response ?
Yes and NO!
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