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Unread 08-26-2007, 10:08 AM   #1
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Default Kids Q Events. **Lets Discuss **

hey, as one of our old montras, "Lets Discuss" somethig Vinny brought up in his kids Q judging experience. (didnt want to hijack).


What do folks think about having the ages of he kids on the turnin box during a kids Que event.

I think its an interesting idea with alot of pros/cons.

Having a box created by a 6 year old judged the same as that of a 13-14 year old can really be disheartening to the little one. Kids Q is for fun, and to encourage, the last thing we want to do is slam a little kid for a shoddy box, but a 13-14 year old should be showing some 'creatitivity'.

then theres the argument of favoritism to the little ones, or unfair judging to the older kids.

I can see this going lots of differenet ways. thoughts?
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Thanks Phil.. This was my first thought as I got the turn in boxes.

I don't think there would be favoritism or unfair judging at all toward the little ones. I think trying to divide the judges tables by age group might help.

Writing the age group on the top of the box would be a great idea. My expectation would be that a 15 yr old should be able to put out a better product than a 7 yr old.

I don't care what the rules say about judging each box on it's own merits. People are prone to make comparisions to other boxes. Not all judges but some, even if done subliminally. The quality of the boxes and recipe developed is often a reflection of the age of the child

That of course is also a result of the kid actually doing the boxes and not the parent. (That's a whole other topic... . Some parents seemed way to involved in their childs entries (not fire management). There was little supervision by a contest rep to notice this as there were over 30 teams.

Sled's son did everything on his own, even attended the cooks meeting by himself. He ended up 10th out of 15 in his age group. There were others who had way too much parental involvement even with the kids all being put in the same open area. Little Steven was dissappointed by the results and even he thought it was a bit unfair.
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I would prefer not to put ages on boxes. I would prefer the kids turn is at different times. Or have a table of judges for the younger group and one for the older group. I know what you're getting at with that and I know KCBS rules say to judge each entry on it's own merit and not compare it to other entries on your judging plate but I know it still happens.

I also think they should accumulate Kids Q points and have a Kids Q "Kid of the Year" award at the banquet. That's how important I think Kids Q's are to the future of BBQ competitions.
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It should be renamed parents q
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I was very disappointed in my son for embarrassing the family by coming 10th and not 13th on chicken.
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Another thing to think about(based on Sledneck response of "parents Q".)

should the parents be allowed to cook? My vote is NO.

IMHO, The Kids q should be off from the main camp(they should have a kids setup in a coordend off area). Even if its just a table an box of ingriedents and a kettle.

A parent should be allowed at the kids camp, Sit down, and STAY DOWN. Work as a consultant, not chef. Same for doing the boxes. This would be easier to take if the judging is adjusted to age groups specific

Also, IMO, The parents shouldnt be manning the grill. Sit down, watch them, make sure they are safe, but do not do the work. It is possible as shown in this thread. !


ok.. chitstorm begin.. but thats my 2 cents.
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Substitute a couple of words and you have many of the same problems I faced in 15 years of running Cub Scout Pinewood Derbys.

Many adults just don't get it. If they would only remember that it's all about the kids.
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I agree with Jeff.

Also I'd like to add that I really don't have time at a contest to let go of my lttle one to go and cook at another location other than my area. My child depends on me for advice and from time to time an extra hand (limited to small duties) so I don't get accused of actually doing the cooking. It has been an inconvenience in the past and has caused us to not be able to participate in a couple kids q's.
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I agree with Jeff.

Also I'd like to add that I really don't have time at a contest to let go of my lttle one to go and cook at another location other than my area. My child depends on me for advice and from time to time an extra hand (limited to small duties) so I don't get accused of actually doing the cooking. It has been an inconvenience in the past and has caused us to not be able to participate in a couple kids q's.
I have to disagree with you here. I dont see how you can say that you dont have the time. With all of the conests i have ever cooked watching my son cook yesterday on his own was the best one i have ever been to. Do you you cook and prep every minute of every hour while at a contest? I think there is more more bull chitting and socialiing at a contest than there is cooking. Prep your meats at home the night before. I have never considered anything that involves my kid and "inconvenience"
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although i do agree with the seperate site being inconvient, how else can one ensure that Mom or Dads not doing the cooking? At events I have been at, even the backyard event is seperate form the main event.. Even jsut a table, chair, and a box of ingriedents/equipment can cover a kids q...

what if an organizer would have volunteers/chaparones at the kids q events for when parents cant get to the site or have to leave to tend their own pit. ??

On the other hand, as a spectator, i would enjoy watching a field of kids and kettles(or whatever) doing their own thing.
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I think one solution wold be to put judges at tables by age group. a table of 6 judging 6-9 year olds, same for other age groups. that way theya re always apples to apples. Also a top score is a top score, thus the age groups acan participate against eachother. a 7 in 6-9 is equal to a 7 in 13-15. So potentially a 7 year could win the whole shebang. just a thought. Also what aobut one kids judge, age appropriate per table. Scott
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Another thing to think about(based on Sledneck response of "parents Q".)

should the parents be allowed to cook? My vote is NO.

IMHO, The Kids q should be off from the main camp(they should have a kids setup in a coordend off area). Even if its just a table an box of ingriedents and a kettle.

A parent should be allowed at the kids camp, Sit down, and STAY DOWN. Work as a consultant, not chef. Same for doing the boxes. This would be easier to take if the judging is adjusted to age groups specific

Also, IMO, The parents shouldnt be manning the grill. Sit down, watch them, make sure they are safe, but do not do the work. It is possible as shown in this thread. !


ok.. chitstorm begin.. but thats my 2 cents.


they did this at the herman contest last year the parents could only slice things with the knife and sit but the down fall was it was at 10:30
sat morning it was the time that i needed to be back at camp getting all my ducks in a row

then jeff thought about points for the kids q for the end of the year all great ideas

if they do kids q after the team events are done in there own camp with the contest reps looking over them to make shure the parents are not doing anything expet cutting things and in the age groops
(this is my 2 cents)

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also what about a "pro-am" format. Couple a kid with a seasoned non parent bbq'r. would expand experiences, allow for better monitoring and give kids a chance to see different things. Scott
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what are the items for turn in? Maybe a subtyle change to more familiar foods, dogs and burgs, a veggie tray...also a category specifically geared at preentation. Maybe a premade product given specifically to focus on presnetation, ie moonpies, the focus being on presentation of the box vs the other categories. Scott
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they did this at the herman contest last year the parents could only slice things with the knife and sit but the down fall was it was at 10:30
sat morning it was the time that i needed to be back at camp getting all my ducks in a row
ok.. to me.., all bets are off if Kids Q is the day of KCBS turnin.

Anything i address here in my posts, assumes Kids Q is on a seperate day. I havent seen one yet the same day of KCBS.. not around here. If my kid wanted to compete for a 1030 turnin, and it was in a different camp.. "sorry charlie, dont burn yourself, and heres the bandaids."

No way I can do that the day of KCBS turnin, someone would be rolling me out on a stretcher.
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