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Unread 08-24-2007, 05:46 AM   #1
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Default Selling Judges Spots

This has come up in a couple of threads. We know that the occasional "celebrity" or VIP is tossed onto judging tables from time to time. Selling judging spots has been mentioned, but I've never heard of it actually being done until now.

http://partners.dubuque365.com/throwdown/index.html

What's even worse is that a sponsor can enter a team and two judges for the right money.

I'm amazed that KCBS allows this.
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Who proof read that thing for them? Obviously no one did.
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Welcome to corporate America Todd. This is yet another reason that I do not compete.
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I really don't mind this at all. I think it brings judges that view it as an honor to judge instead of thinking they are doing us a favor.

I think you guys put way too much faith in CBJs. All they do is sit through a few hour class. Nobody has ever failed the class.

It's really not that bad BD. If you're a competitive kind of guy who likes to BBQ, you should give it a try sometime.
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I don't think what they are doing is that big of a deal. I think the GAB did the same thing.
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This happens more often than you would think, especially with larger comps that involve corporations and multiple sponsers, like Ray said, the corporation forking over the 10K for the prize pool wants to feel special and it is an honor for some to be a judge. Memphis in May had a program where you could pay $500 to be an "ambassador" to the contest which also let you be a judge for the day. The people putting on contests have to find all kinds of ways to raise money, i have no problem with the practice. Now if somebody was selling there judging spot the day of a contest that would be a problem...
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Ideally every contest would be judged 100% by 'professionals'. But if I have a choice of cooking a contest with 10k prize money and a couple celebrity judges vs a contest with no prize money... I'll take the prize money contest. Heck, the contest everyone is trying to get into, The Jack, is chock full of celebrity type judges.

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I really don't mind this at all. I think it brings judges that view it as an honor to judge instead of thinking they are doing us a favor.

I think you guys put way too much faith in CBJs. All they do is sit through a few hour class. Nobody has ever failed the class.

It's really not that bad BD. If you're a competitive kind of guy who likes to BBQ, you should give it a try sometime.

I don't recall mentioning CBJ's? Must be a personal issue, Doc.


I guess this happens more than I realized. I've just never seen it in writing. I have no problem with sponsors judging or having a team in the contest. Putting BOTH into a sponsorship package just looks odd to me. I realize that any team could easily have their OWN judges in the pavilion. But if that sponsor's team would happen to win, let's see how many cooks claim that those two sponsor's judges were major influences.

I can see where it is good for us cooks by bringing more money to the table or at least keeping our entry fees down.

What also seems ironic is that many have problems with judges with coolers citing that their only desire is leftovers. Doesn't seem much different than a judge from a corporate sponsor who is there for personal or corporate exposure. CBJ's or not, I'd rather have people who want to be there for BBQ, as Chris has said.

Not a perfect world, but selling judging spots to sponsors seems a hair over the line for where I would draw it. I guess I'm more conservative leaning on this one.
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Ideally every contest would be judged 100% by 'professionals'. But if I have a choice of cooking a contest with 10k prize money and a couple celebrity judges vs a contest with no prize money... I'll pick the later. Heck, the contest everyone is trying to get into, The Jack, is chock full of celebrity type judges.
Later = No prize money?
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The Blue Springs, Mo contest has been doing this for at least 10 or 12 years. There is a corp. sponsor for every judges table - and someone from that sponsor is seated at that table. I think we have bogger things to worry about than non-CBJ's judging our Q. Just my 2 cents
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The Blue Springs, Mo contest has been doing this for at least 10 or 12 years. There is a corp. sponsor for every judges table - and someone from that sponsor is seated at that table. I think we have bogger things to worry about than non-CBJ's judging our Q. Just my 2 cents
Read my second post, Wayne. This wasn't about CBJ's.

I guess my eyes are open now. I have an idea to resolve the cooler issue: Judge's Cooler Fee!
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No coffee, yet, former.

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For 5 grand they ought to get a cooler too.

that one cracked me up.
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Default So, $5,000 buys them what?

If I was coughing up the cash, to be used as prize money, I would expoect to be able to judge as well as get a few leftovers. In my mind the question is, as a cooker, do you want less prize oney and all CBJ's, or bigger money and one wild card judge at each table?

I think KCBS should have apolicy, like maybe a mandatory 1 hour training for every non-CBJ (no, the 11 minute CD is not enough) and sell the heck out of judging spots so we get a bigger potential purse.
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If I was coughing up the cash, to be used as prize money, I would expoect to be able to judge as well as get a few leftovers. In my mind the question is, as a cooker, do you want less prize oney and all CBJ's, or bigger money and one wild card judge at each table?

I think KCBS should have apolicy, like maybe a mandatory 1 hour training for every non-CBJ (no, the 11 minute CD is not enough) and sell the heck out of judging spots so we get a bigger potential purse.
For $5000, you get everyone who sees, hears, or attends the contest also seeing your name. You may also get exclusive rights for vending, in the case of Budweiser, for example.

The question is, for my entry fee, WHAT DO I GET? I want a space to cook in that is all mine. I want a fair contest. Water. Security. Quiet hours. And 6 judges that are there FIRST for BBQ. They don't have to be CBJ's as far as I'm concerned. Fair Queens are not there for BBQ.

I guess its common place. I never realized that.
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