Feedback Cards

Sawdustguy · 08-21-2007, 06:38 PM

We did crappy this weekend at the Hudson Valley Ribfest and I have some suggestions for the KCBS. We were supposed to have comment cards filled out by the judges. We recieved not a single feedback card. On our ribs turn-in we got a 999 and a 343. I am not gonna bash the judges in this post, it's not my style. My gripe is, if I am going to recieve a 343 I would be very interested in finding out why.

After seeing one of the comment cards that another team showed me I can understand why some judges may have opted not to fill them out. The card had a number on it and a few lines on it to fill in a comment. If I was a judge I would have a hard time writing a few sentences about each entry.

I recommend the following system for comment cards. Firstly every judge would fill them out. They are absolutely useless unless someone takes the time to fill them out. Make the cards easier to fill out. Use a check box approach. For instance make check boxes for too salty, too spicey, too bland, overcooked, undercooked etc. so the judge could very quickly check the boxes. While these cards may not help some of the advanced teams it would help the beginners to understand why their entry was given that particular score. It may also help you to understand why you got a 999 and 343 on the same entry.

WannaBeBBQueen · 08-21-2007, 06:44 PM

I agree

it would be nice.

nthole · 08-21-2007, 06:51 PM

This would help us decipher our first scores very much. I'm in complete agreement.

Tinybud · 08-21-2007, 06:54 PM

I agree 100%, what's the use of comment cards if not every judge is going to use them. The checkbox idea is genius, would make quick work out of filling in a comment card.

YankeeBBQ · 08-21-2007, 06:54 PM

We got 2 comment cards both complimenting our first place brisket. While it's nice to receive praise it's not very useful. I was hoping we got a couple comments on our 33rd ribs so we would know what they didn't like about them.

jminion · 08-21-2007, 07:14 PM

My feelings are that the judges are instructed to fill out the card if they give you scores like that, if they can't finds something else to do at contest, judging is not for them.

Jim
PS as the score cards are collected and looked over at each table, don't give the judge a choice, make them fill out the card.

Smokin' Gnome BBQ · 08-21-2007, 07:15 PM

I think you are all on the right page! I would love to know what goes on in a judges head..999 vs.343 what the ......... lol

KC_Bobby · 08-21-2007, 07:29 PM

Chalk up another agreement. I'd also like to know if the judge was certified or not.

Sawdustguy · 08-21-2007, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YankeeBBQ

We got 2 comment cards both complimenting our first place brisket. While it's nice to receive praise it's not very useful. I was hoping we got a couple comments on our 33rd ribs so we would know what they didn't like about them.

Were you using the new recipe that you tried at Harpoon or was it the recipe you won a zillion times with?

G$ · 08-21-2007, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin' Gnome BBQ

I think you are all on the right page! I would love to know what goes on in a judges head..999 vs.343 what the ......... lol

That is strange. Were these ribs from the same rack? I could almost understand this on chicken pieces.

We got A comment card in March. Our brisket had "good flavor but tough". We new that, it was obvious.

Still appreciated the single comment we got.

nancee · 08-21-2007, 08:36 PM

We also only got two and they were both complementary. We also got 9s and 3s. Love the checklist idea...
nancee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sawdustguy

We did crappy this weekend at the Hudson Valley Ribfest and I have some suggestions for the KCBS. We were supposed to have comment cards filled out by the judges. We recieved not a single feedback card. On our ribs turn-in we got a 999 and a 343. I am not gonna bash the judges in this post, it's not my style. My gripe is, if I am going to recieve a 343 I would be very interested in finding out why.

After seeing one of the comment cards that another team showed me I can understand why some judges may have opted not to fill them out. The card had a number on it and a few lines on it to fill in a comment. If I was a judge I would have a hard time writing a few sentences about each entry.

I recommend the following system for comment cards. Firstly every judge would fill them out. They are absolutely useless unless someone takes the time to fill them out. Make the cards easier to fill out. Use a check box approach. For instance make check boxes for too salty, too spicey, too bland, overcooked, undercooked etc. so the judge could very quickly check the boxes. While these cards may not help some of the advanced teams it would help the beginners to understand why their entry was given that particular score. It may also help you to understand why you got a 999 and 343 on the same entry.

Q Haven · 08-21-2007, 08:43 PM

We got all 7's, 8's and two 9's for our apples-chef choice turn in. Except one judge, who gave it a 3-5-3. That is the judge who should have filled out a comment card.

887 899 877 777 877 353

Was our first 3's ever. Just strange.

Our comment cards were one who praised our ribs. The other was somewhat constructive, saying our brisket wasn't cut exactly perpindicular to the grain. It said besides that, it said the brisket had great taste and moisture.

nancee · 08-21-2007, 08:59 PM

we got 3s saturday also...same scenario...makes you wonder
I was truly disgusted
kept hearing about a bad table...

Happened to look at the Michigan scores...top 50 ALL above 600...no wonder Mike Davis told us he was glad he didn't cook in the NE!!!
nancee

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedlor70

We got all 7's, 8's and two 9's for our apples-chef choice turn in. Except one judge, who gave it a 3-5-3. That is the judge who should have filled out a comment card.

887 899 877 777 877 353

Was our first 3's ever. Just strange.

VGuilford · 08-21-2007, 09:12 PM

Sounds to like you had someone there that didn't know their arse from a hole in the ground to me.

Sledneck · 08-21-2007, 09:18 PM

I judged this weekend and did not fill out any cards. As for praise that would be a waste of time. The checklist would be great. If we did 1 hour turn in maybe there would be enought time to fill out cards. I really did not understand the spectators watching us judge. It was really annoying. Judging as a spectator sport?

08-21-2007, 06:38 PM	#1
Sawdustguy Babbling Farker Join Date: 09-14-05 Location: Manorville, Long Island Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Feedback Cards We did crappy this weekend at the Hudson Valley Ribfest and I have some suggestions for the KCBS. We were supposed to have comment cards filled out by the judges. We recieved not a single feedback card. On our ribs turn-in we got a 999 and a 343. I am not gonna bash the judges in this post, it's not my style. My gripe is, if I am going to recieve a 343 I would be very interested in finding out why. After seeing one of the comment cards that another team showed me I can understand why some judges may have opted not to fill them out. The card had a number on it and a few lines on it to fill in a comment. If I was a judge I would have a hard time writing a few sentences about each entry. I recommend the following system for comment cards. Firstly every judge would fill them out. They are absolutely useless unless someone takes the time to fill them out. Make the cards easier to fill out. Use a check box approach. For instance make check boxes for too salty, too spicey, too bland, overcooked, undercooked etc. so the judge could very quickly check the boxes. While these cards may not help some of the advanced teams it would help the beginners to understand why their entry was given that particular score. It may also help you to understand why you got a 999 and 343 on the same entry. __________________ Guy (Brewmaster and Pitmaster) BBQ Team: *Two Fat Polocks BBQ Team* Brewery: Black Dog Brewery BBQ Equipment: "Sam I Am": XL Big Green Egg "Barbra Q": Lang 84 Deluxe "R2 and D2": Twin 22" Weber Smokey Mountains Brewery: Custom Made Automated Souped Up Sabco

08-21-2007, 06:44 PM	#2
WannaBeBBQueen is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 07-17-06 Location: Wantagh, NY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I agree it would be nice. __________________ Julie "It is better to have burnt and lost, then never to have barbecued at all" Swamp Pit BBQ KCBS Member KCBS CBJ Charbroil Bandera Charbroil Silver Smoker/Grill Weber Kettle 18 & 26 WSM 18 1/2 Kamado 18" FEC 100 http://www.myspace.com/wannabebbqueen http://www.tripadvisor.com/members/JMBred *the views of the user Skip (The Prince Consort) do not necessarily reflect those of WannaBeBBQueen...lol

08-21-2007, 06:51 PM	#3
nthole Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: St. Louis Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This would help us decipher our first scores very much. I'm in complete agreement. __________________ Neil -- "Easy Bake Master" NB Bandera [gone to heaven...conveniently located in Long Island, NY] Rebel 23, WSM A, WSM B, UDS, Easy Bake Oven Pork Pistols BBQ MOFO Illuminati MOINK...It's what's for linner.

08-21-2007, 06:54 PM	#4
Tinybud Take a breath! Join Date: 10-24-06 Location: Beech Creek, PA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I agree 100%, what's the use of comment cards if not every judge is going to use them. The checkbox idea is genius, would make quick work out of filling in a comment card. __________________ The Redneck PitKrew (comp. team) Tiny's Bar-b-que Catering Char-griller superpro w/side firebox 6ft. Southern Yankee Meadow Creek Caterer's Delight 108 Caldera Tallboy

08-21-2007, 06:54 PM	#5
YankeeBBQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 02-07-06 Location: boston ma Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	We got 2 comment cards both complimenting our first place brisket. While it's nice to receive praise it's not very useful. I was hoping we got a couple comments on our 33rd ribs so we would know what they didn't like about them. __________________ Steve Farrin KCBS BOD member. Thank you for your support. This post is my opinion and mine alone, not necessarily that of the KCBS, it's board of directors or office nor that of Peter Pan, Tinkerbell and certainly not Rush Limbaugh.

08-21-2007, 07:14 PM	#6
jminion is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 07-07-04 Location: Federal Way WA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My feelings are that the judges are instructed to fill out the card if they give you scores like that, if they can't finds something else to do at contest, judging is not for them. Jim PS as the score cards are collected and looked over at each table, don't give the judge a choice, make them fill out the card. __________________ Jim www.twoloosescrewsbbq.com Ole Hickory EL/EDx WSM Primos Klose couple of Ranch kettles

08-21-2007, 07:15 PM	#7
Smokin' Gnome BBQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 05-31-07 Location: Shippensburg PA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think you are all on the right page! I would love to know what goes on in a judges head..999 vs.343 what the ......... lol __________________ I need a 2009 kcbs member pin, help a brother out!

08-21-2007, 07:29 PM	#8
KC_Bobby Babbling Farker Join Date: 05-03-07 Location: Gardner KS Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Chalk up another agreement. I'd also like to know if the judge was certified or not. __________________ Boondoggle BBQ Country Smokers 450 Weber Smokey Mountain 18" Proud KCBS Member & Certified Judge

08-21-2007, 08:43 PM	#12
Q Haven Take a breath! Join Date: 04-26-06 Location: Orange, CT Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	We got all 7's, 8's and two 9's for our apples-chef choice turn in. Except one judge, who gave it a 3-5-3. That is the judge who should have filled out a comment card. 887 899 877 777 877 353 Was our first 3's ever. Just strange. Our comment cards were one who praised our ribs. The other was somewhat constructive, saying our brisket wasn't cut exactly perpindicular to the grain. It said besides that, it said the brisket had great taste and moisture. __________________ Ted Lorson Backwoods Competitor, Backwoods Party 2x, NEBS Board Member, KCBS Member and Certified Judge Last edited by Q Haven; 08-22-2007 at 07:03 AM..

08-21-2007, 09:12 PM	#14
VGuilford is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 03-01-07 Location: Raymore, Mo. South of Kansas City Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sounds to like you had someone there that didn't know their arse from a hole in the ground to me. __________________ See Ya in the Smoke!!! Vern MooCow BBQ www.moocowbbq.com KCBS CBJ Texas Smoker Oklahoma Joe Original Vermont Castings Gasser Turkey fryer Little Smokey Joe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MoFo Chapter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

08-21-2007, 09:18 PM	#15
Sledneck is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 12-04-05 Location: Wantagh, NY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I judged this weekend and did not fill out any cards. As for praise that would be a waste of time. The checklist would be great. If we did 1 hour turn in maybe there would be enought time to fill out cards. I really did not understand the spectators watching us judge. It was really annoying. Judging as a spectator sport? __________________ BBQ Illuminati Blog Disclaimer: The poster does not take any responsibility for any bad feelings or sense of exclusion that the reader of this post may have-whether real or imagined. Reading threads poses inherent risks. The poster of this thread would like to also remind readers to make sure they have a functional sense of humor before they visit any discussion board.

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