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Unread 07-17-2007, 05:06 PM   #1
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I recently competed in a competition and judge # 6 in 3 catagories gave all 0's, does this mean there was only 5 judges at that table. we received high scores from the rest of the judges.Any one have any insite for a new guy?
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Who was the sanctioning body?

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I don't think that was KCBS sanctioned. Last week someone was looking for bootleg KCBS scoring program to score the contest so who knows what happened.

Who were the rep's?
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Where did you guys get the individual judges scoring from?
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I was one of the judges at leesport this past weekend, there were 16 judges total, one table of 6 and two tables of 5, that is were the 0's would come in to play I believe. Don't know that for sure, but I'll contact one of the reps and find out for sure to let ya know.
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As far as I know, there ar no zip-zeroes in a KCBS judged event.
Will check my rule-book.
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Where did you guys get the individual judges scoring from?
I emailed Red Monday he said, they were sending them by mail later in the week. We haven't received anything.
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Just got email back from Red, the reason for the 0's is only because those turn ins went to a table with only 5 judges.
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That doesn't sound right. They must have added some math to make it fair to the people with only 5 judges.

If you score a 5 from 6 different people you score a 30. If you score a 5 from 5 people you score a 25. Even if you remove the lowest from the table of 6 and not from the 5 it is still not right. Hope they at least had a multplier in there to get everyone on an even keel.
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I'm not the familiar with how the whole system works, but I'm sure they have had an odd number of judges before at contest. I certain not all contest of exact multiples of 6 judges per table. I would imagine they have something in place in the scoring for when that happens.
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This is a great example of why you should be a member of KCBS. Your small fee of $35.00 insures you don't have this situation.

To use five judges at some tables and six at other is NEVER fair. Even if they used a kcbs program which dropped the lowest score, you were stuck with the five scores given while others were allowed to drop a score.

Sanctioned contest by KCBS, MIM or IBCA insure a level of fair competition.

How did they determine which boxes went to which table. Did some teams have a repeat at the table with 6 judges. I would not feel I was treated fairly in this situation.

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I agree with you Merl.

$35 is money well spent if you are a comp cook. Also another reason why I think that non-KCBS members should pay more at a sanctioned contest...

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This is a great example of why you should be a member of KCBS. Your small fee of $35.00 insures you don't have this situation.

To use five judges at some tables and six at other is NEVER fair. Even if they used a kcbs program which dropped the lowest score, you were stuck with the five scores given while others were allowed to drop a score.

Sanctioned contest by KCBS, MIM or IBCA insure a level of fair competition.

How did they determine which boxes went to which table. Did some teams have a repeat at the table with 6 judges. I would not feel I was treated fairly in this situation.

But that is only my opinion.
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I am not sure how being a member of KCBS would help you in a non-KCBS scantioned event? Unless you are saying don't compete in any event that is not scantioned by KCBS!

Having siad that, they should have had 6 judges at each table. If you have to reduce the number of entries each table recieves I understand that but yeah, some teams get 6 scores and some get five!...Homers!
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This would have been a KCBS sanctioned event if MABA had 90 days to plan it. Tom and Red did a great job putting it together considering the time constraints. I saw alot of KCBS judges, and I bet most of the cooks are KCBS members. Not a bad job, considering the NJ State Championship was also going on in Wildwood that weekend.
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