Later turn-in times at contests

Why not? I enjoy sitting in the blazing heat while the band plays on. OK i will go to my room now

There are a couple important reasons organizers are looking at later turn-in times(or knock down/exit times). I agree with wanting to get home and go to sleep, but i was enlightened this weekend as to why thats not always going to happen. I believe, not 100% sure, but think its not the later turn in that they are doing, but adjusting the end time of the contest. Would it be the same saying turnins are at 12-2, but awards dont start until 6-8PM?

1 - Safety.
Usually, awards run around 4-5 O'Clock.. which at the busier events, is prime time for crowds.. and/or earlier crowds like to hang around to see the awards.

When teams start breaking down and driving rigs out of fairgrounds or parking lots with hundreds if not thousands of people wandering around it causes and obvious safety hazard for those walking around. Event officials may lay down the law and not allow cars into or to leave the fair grounds when it is open to the public. Some towns and venues will NOT allow events to permit cars/trucks onto the grounds when it is still open to the public. Thats one reason organizers will not allow cars to stay at the sites, or allow them to return to the sites to hitch up and drive away.

2 - Crowd/spectator shows.
Most contests are not in place to line any individuals pocket with $$, but usually have some form of charity or benefactor.. ie rotary, KoC, etc. They are there to make money, and lets face it.. WE(the teams) are not the main source of revenue for the event. The sponsors are, and the crowds are. If a festival, car show, bazaar, whatever has a BBQ contest as one part of the draw, people expect to see us there. On the same token, if a band is playing at 6-8, people start arriving around 4-6.. which is smack dab during the awards. Now, 2 things happen. 1 - again, the safety hazard is there with huge rigs trying to make it thru the crowd..

and 2 - If we are all gone by 6, the crowd, which again is the primary source of income comes to an empty lot and piles of ash. If thats the case, they will not return the next year, and without the crowds, the sponsors don't get exposure. Without the sponsors, there are no events..

Organizers and promoters would prefer to give the crowds something to see and also keep the sponsors happy.. and we, the competitors, are part of the show.

Consider how all these are intertwined, the base event(carnival, car show, bands playing, etc).. , the sponsors, the crowds, and us.. There are so many things to look out for, and consider when putting together events.. its is not for the meek.. What I learned this weekend at KCBS is that what we see as competitors are a very very VERY small part of the big picture.

These are NOT the sole reasons.. dont take it as gospel.. its what I learned at KCBS this weekend from talking to many people, and having a few meetings and may be just my interpertations. Hopefully some tof the experts will chime in too. But I believe these are just a couple reasons we may see later turn-in times at some events.

I would be jsut fine with it. I wouldn't have to burn a vacation day at work to take Friday off, I could arrive Friday night and set up. I wouldn't have to stay Saturday night either, just go home, and still have Sunday to unwind. Of course, being in KC means I have nearby comps so there is no long drive home for me. I'm sure for those with long drives it would make a difference, but not for me. The way I see it, I will either spend 1.5 days in the heat (all Friday and half Saturday), or 1.5 days in the heat (Friday PM and all Saturday). That's just me however, one size does not fit all. And I'm still so comp green my opinion should probably be divided into a fraction.

Poobah,

I understand what you are saying and to some degree agree but what is not being considered is that alot of the contests here and in New England are Saturday and Sunday events. I for one would not like to be held hostage until 8:00 Sunday Night before I can leave for home. Especially when I have to return to work on Monday. While this may work on a Saturday, I don't think it works on a Sunday.

I hear that about the New England contests. I also know that some of the events up here simply state in the packet that you may not leave your vehicle on site AT ALL, and still others say that you will be stuck there for the duration. The bottom line ... it is up to each organizer.

As long as it is known ahead of time, the teams can then make the decision to cook an event or not.

I also attended those meetings and the reasons FOR were very important...safety first.
lunchlady

Safety can be an issue, but nearly every event we go to sets a no-earlier-than departure time -- and should enforce the no vehicle or no vehicle movement rules that are already in place.

Shifting cook schedules is no big deal. Holding teams hostage for the "public" is foolish -- teams that schmooze the public do so already...those that don't won't, even if held on-site longer.

All teams start cleanup and teardown following turn-ins. Especially with small teams this time is valuable before we crash and burn.

Each event can and should be allowed to make it's own decision regarding turnins and departure rules...it sounds like there may be valid reasons up in the NE for later turnins...but this should be clearly articulated in the packages and rules sessions...

As a general wide-ranging change I wouldn't support it. If I'm close enough to get home that night I want to LEAVE after awards or right on the "allowed to move" time.

Seems to me that people generally want to get results, pack up and get the fark home. It's not like most of the competitors live around the corner.

If I live more than a couple hours from home... I am going to sleep over anyway. Having said that - Many of the venues don't allow you to keep your spot until Sunday. If it is a city street - you have to be packed up by 6-7pm to open the road. For campgroungs - many want to charge you additional for Sat. evening.

I think if they want to change the times too much, they would need to look at the impact for the cookers - and insure it isnt going to cost them too much more in time and money to make the change. If it does, you could lose alot of your teams, just due to that. Or you will cause more accidents - you get a tired group of folks, and make them go home later - after dark in some instances - and you will see more accidents from tired folk. Later times are ok - you just have to look at the ramifications for changing them.

first, i think i better clarify, that the discussion I was part of were just bringing up some issues and problems and solutions that arose during this past season for a few organizers. It was more of a horse and pony show about a few events. Some of which had big name bands and tremendous crowds. IT WAS NOT A DISCUSSION OF CHANGING ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS. It was "heres what happened and heres what I did".. that is all.

anyway..

smknwhlswife said:

Or you will cause more accidents - you get a tired group of folks, and make them go home later - after dark in some instances - and you will see more accidents from tired folk. Later times are ok - you just have to look at the ramifications for changing them.

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Now thats MY biggest concern for a later turn-in/exit times. After a contest, I am shot.. can hardly stand up and the worse thing is trying to stay awake for a 5 hour drive home with a trailer flinging around the back of the truck. I wouldnt mind a later turn-in if it didnt take them 2-3 hours to tabulate results, but sending me on my way at 7-8 oclock, unless i get to sleep some, is gonna make me a hazard.. ok for a saturday where we can get a hotel, but like sawdust says, for a sunday contest, that will present a problem.

Phil - I have to agree. We always stop or stay if it is going to be a long drive. Too much precious cargo to risk makin it home. Not to mention taking out a lane of traffic with 32' of trailer weighing 10,000lbs.

Tough call. Most of our contests are with in an hour of the house, so It wouldn't be a big deal. I have to agree with the Saturday visitors wanting to see all of the teams. It's a coin toss for me.

I'm against it for the same fatigue factor. I'm farkin BEAT by the time we're packed up and all I want to do is hit the road and get the hell home.

So if turn in is done at 7pm and Im cooking a brisket for 12 hrs it has to go on at 7am. I need a couple hrs to prep it. Thats 5 am. But if I want to absorb flavor. OK thats 2 am. I got to set up my stuff. Midnight. Damn wish that contest would have started on Friday. Plus the award ceromony wouldnt start until midnight at larger events. keep it that same.

I know i want to get it over with!

SP said:

So if turn in is done at 7pm and Im cooking a brisket for 12 hrs it has to go on at 7am. I need a couple hrs to prep it. Thats 5 am. But if I want to absorb flavor. OK thats 2 am. I got to set up my stuff. Midnight. Damn wish that contest would have started on Friday. Plus the award ceromony wouldnt start until midnight at larger events. keep it that same.

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I don't think anyone is proposing a schedule that would have the awards at midnight. I think an event might see value in the awards being held at 7:00 pm though.

I really think this is one of those things where the "Marketplace" will decide the schedule.

1. Organizers will make a decision and post the schedule.
2. Teams will particpate or not based on their individual situation.
3. There will be lots of critique and feedback on the Forums.
4. Other organizers will listen (or not) and make their decisions.
5. Over time, the events will "grow and prosper" or "wither and die".

Only time will tell.

JMHO

TIM

I know Doc I was just making a little fun. We have enough events in KC area that I can stay with in a couple hours of my house and have lots of choices. So awads being between 3-6 usually lets me get home and unload at a decent hour. I understand that some of the reason is for the event to make a little more money. I like it the way it is but will compete still with most changes they make.

Bigjim4x said:

I know i want to get it over with!

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Amen to that! How about EARLIER turn in times so we can get home and crash earlier?!