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Old 04-04-2014, 11:25 AM   #16
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Smokinit posted this the other day. If someone wanted just a dedicated smoker a simple stand to get the reach/range-and-motion right would make it almost perfect.
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=185363

This does seem like a great option. There is one model, I think it's the pint that seems skinnier than the others, maybe allowing easier reach to the meat on the opposite side. With the pellet hopper mounted opposite the latch side and maybe a stand depending on the specific height needed for an individual. I would think that a slam latch would be much better than having to lift a lid for sure.

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Old 04-04-2014, 11:34 AM   #17
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Thanks to all, these are all great ideas and thoughts, let's keep the dialog going. I'll confess I started this with a mindset of "what kind of simple mods could be made to an existing cooker to make it more friendly for wheelchair bound folks". I should have known you folks would broaden that to more of a "what options are available discussion" and that's GREAT!
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:49 AM   #18
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I actually don't see this as a big challenge, if constructing from new. I would also suggest that a pellet pooper, especially one that has an internal firebox such as a Yoder, would simplify fire management to a very safe level. There used to be older pits that had counter balanced sliding doors, that slid up over the pit entry. This would be a high access option
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:57 AM   #19
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What about a design similar to HBT welding 402 model, hydraulic assist shocks for easy opening, fire box on the back looks like it could be tended to in a chair. Modify the cooking area to one grate level and lower. Could even slant the bottom of the cooking chamber to accommodate the wheel chair? Just some thoughts.
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I like the pellet pooper idea but wouldn't any pellet pooper work fine?
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I like the pellet pooper idea but wouldn't any pellet pooper work fine?
You still have to solve the problem of accessing the meat. Something like the pellet mod for a WSM would be terrible.

It sounds like a custom build--you'd want a cabinet-style smoker with French doors that cooks with pellets and has slide-out racks. Then it's just a matter of getting the height right.
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I was told that The Good One was designed by or for a person that was using a wheel chair.

http://thegood-one.com/smokers-grills/the-open-range/


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There is more to it than just adding a pellet burner or door shocks.

When you are in a chair, you are largely limited to reach, hence the issue with sinks (and the current ADA standards leave a lot to be desired) for instance, many disabled don't like the long reach over, as their sleeves get wet, now, instead of water, make that fire, and you can see, that the location and how the fire is arranged, as well as box depth is an issue.

Further, cleaning the unit is going to be an issue. Sure, you can always ask for help, but, true independence means being able to access all of the controls. Always the details...again, for instance, you could just put a small Backwoods onto a wheelchair friendly rack, but, when it comes time to add charcoal, or tend the fire, you are pulling that drawer out onto your lap, not exactly safe. When you are reaching up to tend food, you are reaching over hot coals, also a risk.
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This is a fascinating thread, and I'm blown away at the effort you guys are making to figure this out. Man, there are some good people here at this site. My 11 year-old son is in a wheelchair. Unfortunately, he has no use of his arms; but I am delighted by the thought of creating a smoker for those confined to wheelchairs. Smoking meat as a hobby has allowed me many hours of fun to spend with my son - it's why I got into it, to be honest. So, it's cool to me to think of the joy it will bring other handicapped people to be able to join in the fun of smoking! Bravo to all of you fine people!

That said, I have no brilliant thoughts to add to your design. You can bet I'll be putting my mind to it though. Interested to see how this planning unfolds!
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I just was made aware of this thread. Interesting. Thanks for starting it Dave. I appreciate all the work you did in researching this, Dave. I am really sorry I missed all the discussion back then.

I have really been going crazy not being able to cook anymore. Recently I was reading something from Smokinit and asked if they could design something custom for wheelchair confined people, like myself.

We agreed that the pellet smoker would be a good idea, especially with an optional smoke box and cart.

He just tonight got back to me tonight and seems they have a perfect smoker...except, even with a Brethren discount, it's out of my league. I don't think he's open to trading for a kidney. Ha. I predict he'll have some clientele though. I feel like an arse, though taking up his time.
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:11 PM   #26
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You know Dan, somewhere, there is a guy who left home to do something he felt important, and he came back missing a leg, or two. And maybe he would want a cooker that he could use from a chair. Fact is, there are a lot of folks that, for one reason, or another, could use a cooker that is designed for the physically impaired. I hope Smokinit keeps rolling with the idea, and perhaps others who find themselves in a position to buy one can keep on cooking.

And if that happens, it was no waste of time.
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I just was made aware of this thread. Interesting. Thanks for starting it Dave. I appreciate all the work you did in researching this, Dave. I am really sorry I missed all the discussion back then.

I have really been going crazy not being able to cook anymore. Recently I was reading something from Smokinit and asked if they could design something custom for wheelchair confined people, like myself.

We agreed that the pellet smoker would be a good idea, especially with an optional smoke box and cart.

He just tonight got back to me tonight and seems they have a perfect smoker...except, even with a Brethren discount, it's out of my league. I don't think he's open to trading for a kidney. Ha. I predict he'll have some clientele though. I feel like an arse, though taking up his time.
You have a wealth of knowledge, share it freely, have lots of practical insight, and an unique perspective. It would cost him a lot of money and time to garner what you have to offer for free. Suck it up and go forward. He may need a tester for any prototype.
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One thing to keep in mind if you are designing for someone in a wheelchair is that some of us have little or no movement of, or at, the hips. For instance, in my case, I now cannot sit straight up - with a ninety degree bend. My back is always leaning back. If I sit at the edge of the bed, with my legs off hte bed, I will fall backwards. The chair I use has a recline in it and I cannot bend forward more than a fraction of an inch.

So, if you are testing your design by sitting in a chair, which I recommend, also test the operation without moving your back. I have full range of motion of my arms, thank God, but I could not bend/lean forward to grab a door or grate or to push something. Everything must be done with the movement of the arm.

Also some of us cannot bend our knees properly. In my case, one knee bends pretty well, where my foot touches the floor and my leg forms almost a ninety degree angle. However, my other knee does not bend as far. Some days my foot will still hit the floor, but still sticking out a bit, as my knee doesn't bend ninety degrees. Some days, that knee will cause the leg to stick out in front and my foot will not touch the ground.

So, having a cart, stand, tall legs, etc. for the smoker will be needed for some of us - and not a solid base, but like an open shelf where I could put my leg through if needed to get closer to the smoker.

Being in this position makes everything - every daily thing - so much more difficult...and many things are now impossible. A properly made smoker would open the world of outdoor cooking back up to me/us.

Another consideration - and it is a major one - is cost. Many, or most, of us cannot work and live on disability. I am thankful that my church had disability insurance, but now my family of four must survive off below poverty level income, as neither my wife nor I can work. It will take a looooong time to save money for an expensive, custom smoker. I don't manufacture anything personally, but the fact that these units will not be mass produced in large quantities leads me to believe that production cost - and therefore selling price - may be prohibitive for many, as I have found it is for us.

I pray that, if you decide to move forward with building these, you will be very successful. If I may be of service by answering questions or providing measurements, or whatever, please don't hesitate to ask. I may not benefit from your work, but I would love to be able to help someone else (re-)enter the world of Thin Blue Smoke :)

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One more thought - can ya tell I can't sleep tonight? Having shelves that pull out will make things easier, but it will be important to have stops on them, so they cannot accidentally be pulled all the way out.
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Hmmm, i would think a horizontal offset might be best. Get the firebox off to the side instead of underneath. Would need some kind of pistons to assist with opening the pit, a design like the pitmaker offset snipers. A fully insulated cook chamber, especially the bottom. Think about taking an oldschool steel desk, build a cook chamber on top of it, and an insulated firebox to the side.
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