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Unread 02-27-2007, 04:53 PM   #1
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I belong to a club that has a kitchen manager. NOW check this out the kitchen manager has left 2 cooked chickens in a walkin beer cooler uncovered for 3 weeks and I just today heard he made a chix soup from one and served it to our members for lunch
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probably gonna be some sick folks later this evening.
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"Aging" improves beef and some other meats.
I do not think it helps cooked or raw poultry

Are the insurance premiums paid up?????????

Not making light of this---I hope everyone "dodges the bullet", but that "manager" needs a new profession

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The basic rule used in commercial establishments, observed by the health dept is this: Cooked meats must be discarded after seven days.

This has a reason, but applied to all meats is not necessarily a realistic rule, but it does give some uniformity to application.

A number of factors need to be considered, such as the temp of the cooler.
How well was the product handled and cooked?

A prudent person who is preparing food will be able to detect whether the food is spoiled or not by smell, but will not be able to detect bacteria levels nor the toxins they produce.

Remember that cooking the meat again will kill bacteria but the will not remove certain toxins left behind from the bacteria digesting the product.

I would call this considerable gross neglegence in food handling in a commercial application.
But whether anyone gets sick (pardon the pun) is a crap shoot.
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Joe does that also apply to meat (cooked than frozen)packed in plastic and vacuum sealed? I know all states maybe differant.
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Joe does that also apply to meat (cooked than frozen)packed in plastic and vacuum sealed? I know all states maybe differant.
No, the rule does not apply to frozen.
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When I was in the restaurant business.....(I was the dish washer/busboy/kitchen gofer and I ate my weight in food about every three or four days).... We would take all of the left over meats and make something else with them. Here is a list a foods you should avoid if you care.... I can tell you, we got our money's worth out of our meat grinder.

Chicken and Turkey Croquettes, The type of croquette will be determined by which ever flavor is dominant.

Ham Croquettes, they also use chicken and turkey mixed in these, if there is some laying around, again the dominant flavor prevails.

Salmon patties or croquettes, they will add left over varieties of white fish, that said the salmon flavor is always dominant.

Let us not forget Meatloaf, any, all and most beef and pork products will reside here.

Now the establishment I worked in was a cafeteria type restaurant, that equals old folks...and they were always asking for the croquettes too. I can guarantee that we didn't have any meats laying around that place. We turned over our stock every two or three days as I would imagine most restaurants do.
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remind me not to eat there......
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Fire kitchen manager immediately!!
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And hopefully you will be getting a new kitchen manager...
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When I was in the restaurant business.....(I was the dish washer/busboy/kitchen gofer and I ate my weight in food about every three or four days).... We would take all of the left over meats and make something else with them. Here is a list a foods you should avoid if you care.... I can tell you, we got our money's worth out of our meat grinder.

Chicken and Turkey Croquettes, The type of croquette will be determined by which ever flavor is dominant.

Ham Croquettes, they also use chicken and turkey mixed in these, if there is some laying around, again the dominant flavor prevails.

Salmon patties or croquettes, they will add left over varieties of white fish, that said the salmon flavor is always dominant.

Let us not forget Meatloaf, any, all and most beef and pork products will reside here.

Now the establishment I worked in was a cafeteria type restaurant, that equals old folks...and they were always asking for the croquettes too. I can guarantee that we didn't have any meats laying around that place. We turned over our stock every two or three days as I would imagine most restaurants do.

Another thing to avoid is any type of preseasoned/marinated meat at the grocery store. When the meat's go out of date it can be unpackaged cleaned, seasoned and repackaged for a new shelf life date. When my wife was a deli manager at a large supermarket chain in Atlanta we saw a lot of this.
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Another thing to avoid is any type of preseasoned/marinated meat at the grocery store. When the meat's go out of date it can be unpackaged cleaned, seasoned and repackaged for a new shelf life date. When my wife was a deli manager at a large supermarket chain in Atlanta we saw a lot of this.
I was taught to do this and I refuse to do so. We are a small shop and I'd rather throw out a few bucks in inventory than get someone sick. We feel our customers would rather us be honest with them. Pre-marinated/seasoned items in our store are always marinated/seasoned when fresh. Still, it seems to be a common practice
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Honestly I know I wouldn't get sick from that. Some people have weak immune systems and stomachs though. I've left a bucket of KFC in my truck for 3 days with the sun beating down on it and got drunk and ate it.

I would have probably made soup out of it and ate it myself. I wouldn't have fed it to anybody else though. I wouldn't prepare anything but fresh food for family/guests.

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