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Old 10-01-2013, 07:33 AM   #1
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Why do some judges come by after awards wanting to look at the teams KCBScore sheets?

I feel like this defeats part of the blind judging is as much as the judge knows what table and seat he was in and knows the people sitting with them.

As a team member, I did this once and the feedback I got from the judge made me cringe. I will never do it again.

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Old 10-01-2013, 07:43 AM   #2
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What kind of feedback did you get?
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:46 AM   #3
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So far this hasn't happened to us. One judged asked which table had the first place ribs, but that's the only question we have received.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:53 AM   #4
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They were mentioning names and seat #'s, and coments that were made after the score sheets were passed to the TC.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:57 AM   #5
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I think this is going to be a issue that KCBS is going to have to address quickly. I would like for judges to have a way to see how they scored compared to the rest of their table but all the additional information is not needed by the judges and I think has potential to cause some problems. keith
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I think this is going to be a issue that KCBS is going to have to address quickly. I would like for judges to have a way to see how they scored compared to the rest of their table but all the additional information is not needed by the judges and I think has potential to cause some problems. keith

As a reletively new judge (10 contests in the last year), this would be the only interest I have in seeing the sheet, and no, I have not seen nor asked for a copy. I would like to see where I sit compared to the others at my table. I could care less to see the team, the team number, or the other tables. My goal as a judge is to be the fairest for all teams.
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I'm a relatively new judge, too, and I would never even consider asking to see a team's score sheet! Sure, I am curious about how the other judges at my table scored some entries, but I can usually get a feel for that when chatting between meats. After judging, I usually hang out at the comp, have a few beers and stick around for the awards... I know a few teams that compete, and I wouldn't even consider asking to see their score sheets. Just doesn't seem right.
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I think this is going to be a issue that KCBS is going to have to address quickly. I would like for judges to have a way to see how they scored compared to the rest of their table but all the additional information is not needed by the judges and I think has potential to cause some problems. keith
Already in the works. There's some tweeking going on right now on KCBScore. As a cook, I love the additional information. But I'd never share my score sheets with any judge after the event, don't care to lose friends!

Please note that none of the info above is secret! This happened as part of the business of the last board meeting. And the opinion stuff is mine alone.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:57 AM   #9
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At the last contest I judged the reps emphasized NOT to tell any teams what table and seat number the judges were at. I myself would love to get the information for my table to see how the scores compared. I would also like to see the overall results sheets, I wish there was a way those could be available online. Just for my reading pleasure of course, lol.
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When I first started judging, I asked the TC from time to time how my scores compared to the other judges at the table. Usually I was right there with the other judges at the table. I don't see a problem with this, as long as actul scores are not given out.
I don't feel the judges need to see the other judges scores and I don't think the teams need any help identfing any of the judges.
As a cook, I like the additional info that the new sheets give me. What teams were at my table, how I finished at my table and so on.
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Since it's all blind judging, judges seeing the sheets after the fact I do not see a problem with. If a judge has the guts to ask to see a score sheet, then to put himself/herself in a bad position with the team standing before them, and have to explain why they gave them a bad score, so be it.
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Since it's all blind judging, judges seeing the sheets after the fact I do not see a problem with. If a judge has the guts to ask to see a score sheet, then to put himself/herself in a bad position with the team standing before them, and have to explain why they gave them a bad score, so be it.
It is quite likely that unless it was very good or very bad the judge would not remember what score they gave every single entry they judged in every category.
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Why is this a problem? By hiding score sheets and information you are just increasing the division between judges and cooks.

In MBN and MIM Judges come back and talk to you about what they saw and how to improve...THIS IS ENCOURAGED. Not prohibited. Get with the program KCBS
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Why is this a problem? By hiding score sheets and information you are just increasing the division between judges and cooks.

In MBN and MIM Judges come back and talk to you about what they saw and how to improve...THIS IS ENCOURAGED. Not prohibited. Get with the program KCBS
Uhm, no. Thanks.
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Uhm, no. Thanks.
Why?
What is so bad about breaking down the walls? What are people scared of....honesty?
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