Looks like we got Kingsford's attention

Wildcat · 03-11-2006, 06:44 AM

I was over at the Virtual Weber Bulletin Board and saw this at the end of the Kingsford thread. Page 8 of the thread I think.

Seems they want to know just how we cook "low and slow" so they can study their new stuff our way. So they emailed one of the guys and asked him to help them.

Hope it's ok to post this link to the thread.

http://tvwbb.infopop.cc/groupee/foru...2860059793/p/8

Maybe now something will get done for the "low and slow" guys.

BobberQer · 03-11-2006, 06:53 AM

KIngsford... is asking.... how to lo-slo.... that's mind bogglin....

what about all their "We are the charcoal of que champions" commercials... wtf ??

what about all their "personal experiences" letters , with their own BBQ ,when they replied to consumer inquires???

That's scary for a corporation to be so in the dark when they sell a product .... they need to get out more, amongst the masses..

Has Coporate Ivory Tower written all over it ..

If it's true

that they could be so unaware, uninformed, and uneducated about lo-slo

kickassbbq · 03-11-2006, 06:58 AM

I they were serious about charcoal, they wouldn't even make briquettes!!!!
Now that is just MYopinion and I don't know Jack. Gonna try the BBs again today in the RAIN.
PARTY!!!!!
Smoke On!!!! All of you BBQ Dogs $ dogettes.
ee

Yakfishingfool · 03-11-2006, 07:44 AM

Could be a marketing angle to show where their new product can be sued when used "correctly" there by convincing one of the group to go and spread the word about how good it is when used "this way". Just a thought. Scott

Jeff_in_KC · 03-11-2006, 08:42 AM

All I know is I'm looking forward to using a bag of DuraFlame hardwood briquets that a friend gave me last night at the NKC Contest. It's the upper grade of charcoal and from what I was told produces very little ash and has no fillers like Kingsford. If I like that, I'm going to do whatever it takes to get in to KC and use that. This news from Kingsford actually angers me more than anything simply because like Bobberquer said... they claimed in all the replies to complaints that they had all this personal experience with low and slow and they knew their product was just as good as the old for that type of cooking. Well, Kingsford, which is it? Geez!

The_Kapn · 03-11-2006, 08:48 AM

Has anyone seen any real testing of the new K used in our cooking profile (whatever that is)?

Or, is this aversion based on resistance to change without empirical data?
If I can find some, I am going to cook a couple or more loads with it and see how it works.

Just curious.

TIM

Jeff_in_KC · 03-11-2006, 08:59 AM

Tim I can't remember who it was but one of the brothers here has used it and posted that it was crap. Although I believe someone else posted and said there seemed to be no difference.

Jorge · 03-11-2006, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Kapn

Has anyone seen any real testing of the new K used in our cooking profile (whatever that is)?

Or, is this aversion based on resistance to change without empirical data?
If I can find some, I am going to cook a couple or more loads with it and see how it works.

Just curious.

TIM

I have used it to grill some pork, a few steaks, chicken breasts for fajitas, and some sausage. I didn't like it even for grilling. Maybe because it was new. It did burn hotter, observation which WAS NOT empirical was that it cooled off quicker. I was grilling some stuff to freeze and share with a few other people. I ended the cook adding more wood than normal to get the heat I needed to finish the chicken.

Never was a problem before with the old version, and the chicken was saved for the end of a long grilling session because I'd spread the coal bed by then to even out the temps and get the most use of the available grill space to do as much chicken as possible.

Sledneck · 03-11-2006, 09:06 AM

Sounds a little fishy, oh wait......i just got an email from Rich Davis, he wants us give him info and research as to a new sauce that can last a cooking process without drying or burning

Sawdustguy · 03-11-2006, 04:57 PM

I am sure that the New Kingsford was a product designed to save them money in Mfg costs, raw materials etc. I doubt that they would attempt to make a better product with their huge share of the market. It just does not make business sense. As we all know, the majority of the charcoal market is weekend grillers. I bet they are just throwing a bone to us "low and slow" BBQ'ers because the marketing guys are detecting a ripple in the market due to the disatisfaction of us "low and slow" BBQ'ers with the New Kingsford.

FatDad · 03-11-2006, 05:23 PM

Go to the Kingsford link and scroll down to the very bottom and click on
"PRIVACY"
I am curious if Clorox has any ownership in Kingsford or is the privacy
statement just dealing with the website??

http://www.kingsford.com/products/product_1.htm#

Bigmista · 03-11-2006, 05:47 PM

Clorox does own kingsford. Interesting, huh?

ciret · 03-11-2006, 06:00 PM

Clorox owns Kingsford. Go to:

http://www.thecloroxcompany.com/products/index.html

I'm afraid it's all corporate now. As others have said, they aren't going to make changes unless it increases there profit.

We have some local lump available in SE Wis, so I'm going to try that and look at getting a better wood supply.

FatDad · 03-11-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobberqeer

KIngsford... is asking.... how to lo-slo.... that's mind bogglin....

what about all their "We are the charcoal of que champions" commercials... wtf ??

what about all their "personal experiences" letters , with their own BBQ ,when they replied to consumer inquires???

That's scary for a corporation to be so in the dark when they sell a product .... they need to get out more, amongst the masses..

Has Coporate Ivory Tower written all over it ..

If it's true

that they could be so unaware, uninformed, and uneducated about lo-slo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigmista

Clorox does own kingsford. Interesting, huh?

That should clear up Bobberqeer post.
Clorox probably doesn't know "jack" about what the public likes.

HoDeDo · 03-11-2006, 07:34 PM

For folks willing to use lump -- "best choice" (distributed in many Price Chopper, Safeway, Hen house, etc stores in the midwest) It is a store/private brand of lump.... but great quality, and inexpensive. I usually have several bags on hand at contests, if anyone wants to try some. None of that "Cowboy" brand issues.... like finding pieces of tongue and groove or other charred build site crud.

03-11-2006, 06:44 AM	#1
Wildcat Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 12-04-05 Location: Kentucky Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Looks like we got Kingsford's attention I was over at the Virtual Weber Bulletin Board and saw this at the end of the Kingsford thread. Page 8 of the thread I think. Seems they want to know just how we cook "low and slow" so they can study their new stuff our way. So they emailed one of the guys and asked him to help them. Hope it's ok to post this link to the thread. http://tvwbb.infopop.cc/groupee/foru...2860059793/p/8 Maybe now something will get done for the "low and slow" guys. Last edited by Wildcat; 03-11-2006 at 07:04 AM..

03-11-2006, 06:58 AM	#3
kickassbbq is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 10-20-05 Location: mn Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I they were serious about charcoal, they wouldn't even make briquettes!!!! Now that is just MYopinion and I don't know Jack. Gonna try the BBs again today in the RAIN. PARTY!!!!! Smoke On!!!! All of you BBQ Dogs $ dogettes. ee __________________ Smoke On!!!!!! www.kickassbbq.com

03-11-2006, 07:44 AM	#4
Yakfishingfool Babbling Farker Join Date: 10-01-05 Location: Shokan, New York Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Could be a marketing angle to show where their new product can be sued when used "correctly" there by convincing one of the group to go and spread the word about how good it is when used "this way". Just a thought. Scott __________________ Oh It'z BBQ! 6 Kayaks(tarpon 160i, 2 tarpon 120's, a hobie outback, hobie tandem, and a Kaskazi Dorado) 1 Weber Gold Series Grill 1 Spicewine Large on a trailer 1 WSM 1 Smokey Joe Platinum 1 XL Big Green Egg KCBS Certified Judge #9079

03-11-2006, 08:42 AM	#5
Jeff_in_KC somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 01-04-05 Location: Pleasant Hill, MO Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	All I know is I'm looking forward to using a bag of DuraFlame hardwood briquets that a friend gave me last night at the NKC Contest. It's the upper grade of charcoal and from what I was told produces very little ash and has no fillers like Kingsford. If I like that, I'm going to do whatever it takes to get in to KC and use that. This news from Kingsford actually angers me more than anything simply because like Bobberquer said... they claimed in all the replies to complaints that they had all this personal experience with low and slow and they knew their product was just as good as the old for that type of cooking. Well, Kingsford, which is it? Geez! __________________ Big Creek BBQ Competition Team KCBS Member and CBJ #14287 Contest Organizer - Smokin' on Big Creek Co-Founder and Executive Director Operation BBQ Relief, Inc. Visit us at Operation BBQ Relief dot org

03-11-2006, 08:48 AM	#6
The_Kapn Moderator Emeritus Join Date: 04-08-04 Location: Marianna, FL Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Has anyone seen any real testing of the new K used in our cooking profile (whatever that is)? Or, is this aversion based on resistance to change without empirical data? If I can find some, I am going to cook a couple or more loads with it and see how it works. Just curious. TIM __________________ "Flirtin' with Disaster" BBQ Team (RETIRED) FBA and KCBS Cook and Judge. Former owner of a WSM, a Smokey Joe, a Charbroil Commercial gasser (junk), and the legendary "StudeDera". Now cooking with a FEC100, a Traeger Lil' Tex, and a Fast Eddy PG500 Proud Pellet guy cooking on real wood.

03-11-2006, 06:53 AM	#2
BobberQer Banned Join Date: 09-12-05 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	KIngsford... is asking.... how to lo-slo.... that's mind bogglin.... what about all their "We are the charcoal of que champions" commercials... wtf ?? what about all their "personal experiences" letters , with their own BBQ ,when they replied to consumer inquires??? That's scary for a corporation to be so in the dark when they sell a product .... they need to get out more, amongst the masses.. Has Coporate Ivory Tower written all over it .. If it's true that they could be so unaware, uninformed, and uneducated about lo-slo

03-11-2006, 08:59 AM	#7
Jeff_in_KC somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 01-04-05 Location: Pleasant Hill, MO Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Tim I can't remember who it was but one of the brothers here has used it and posted that it was crap. Although I believe someone else posted and said there seemed to be no difference. __________________ Big Creek BBQ Competition Team KCBS Member and CBJ #14287 Contest Organizer - Smokin' on Big Creek Co-Founder and Executive Director Operation BBQ Relief, Inc. Visit us at Operation BBQ Relief dot org

03-11-2006, 09:06 AM	#9
Sledneck is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 12-04-05 Location: Wantagh, NY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sounds a little fishy, oh wait......i just got an email from Rich Davis, he wants us give him info and research as to a new sauce that can last a cooking process without drying or burning __________________ BBQ Illuminati Blog Disclaimer: The poster does not take any responsibility for any bad feelings or sense of exclusion that the reader of this post may have-whether real or imagined. Reading threads poses inherent risks. The poster of this thread would like to also remind readers to make sure they have a functional sense of humor before they visit any discussion board.

03-11-2006, 04:57 PM	#10
Sawdustguy Babbling Farker Join Date: 09-14-05 Location: Manorville, Long Island Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I am sure that the New Kingsford was a product designed to save them money in Mfg costs, raw materials etc. I doubt that they would attempt to make a better product with their huge share of the market. It just does not make business sense. As we all know, the majority of the charcoal market is weekend grillers. I bet they are just throwing a bone to us "low and slow" BBQ'ers because the marketing guys are detecting a ripple in the market due to the disatisfaction of us "low and slow" BBQ'ers with the New Kingsford. __________________ Guy (Brewmaster and Pitmaster) BBQ Team: *Two Fat Polocks BBQ Team* Brewery: Black Dog Brewery BBQ Equipment: "Sam I Am": XL Big Green Egg "Barbra Q": Lang 84 Deluxe "R2 and D2": Twin 22" Weber Smokey Mountains Brewery: Custom Made Automated Souped Up Sabco

03-11-2006, 05:23 PM	#11
FatDad is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 07-07-04 Location: Richardson, Texas Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Curious Go to the Kingsford link and scroll down to the very bottom and click on "PRIVACY" I am curious if Clorox has any ownership in Kingsford or is the privacy statement just dealing with the website?? http://www.kingsford.com/products/product_1.htm# __________________ ************************************ Mark P. The reason I love this site: http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=59061 3 WSM's Weber Kettle w/ rotisserie Weber Genesis 2 Turkey Fryers

03-11-2006, 05:47 PM	#12
Bigmista somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 05-24-04 Location: Long Beach, CA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Clorox does own kingsford. Interesting, huh? __________________ Wait! Bigmista wrote a cookbook? Exodus 29:18 Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD. God loves BBQ! Bigmista Custom Spicewine Trailer - Olivia J. PIMA Large and Medium Spicewines Weber Ranch Kettle - E.T. Remembering Scott

03-11-2006, 06:00 PM	#13
ciret Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 05-02-04 Location: Racine, WI Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Clorox owns Kingsford. Go to: http://www.thecloroxcompany.com/products/index.html I'm afraid it's all corporate now. As others have said, they aren't going to make changes unless it increases there profit. We have some local lump available in SE Wis, so I'm going to try that and look at getting a better wood supply. __________________ ==>Eric Modded Brinkmann Smoke King Deluxe, UDS, Brinkman gasser A health family, a healthy country, a healthy world -- all grow outward from a single superior person. Chia Jen/The Clan --I Ching

03-11-2006, 07:34 PM	#15
HoDeDo Babbling Farker Join Date: 02-19-06 Location: Kansas City Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	For folks willing to use lump -- "best choice" (distributed in many Price Chopper, Safeway, Hen house, etc stores in the midwest) It is a store/private brand of lump.... but great quality, and inexpensive. I usually have several bags on hand at contests, if anyone wants to try some. None of that "Cowboy" brand issues.... like finding pieces of tongue and groove or other charred build site crud. __________________ Andy /Smoke on Wheels Competition BBQ - www.smokeonwheels.com

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