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Unread 06-18-2013, 10:25 PM   #16
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Ok I just re read the posts. Copy that.... Oh boy I get to buy a scale!
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Unread 06-18-2013, 10:28 PM   #17
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There are several issues, but, yes, a drier climate requires more liquid, also, as you knead the dough, you will lose some hydration as well. I prefer a soft dough, as it is easy to work, I do not do a direct rise, I prefer a cold rise, and less kneading, letting the refrigerator do some of my work for me. This allows for a little more water initially, and less loss during handling and rises. It also protects against loss to evaporation, which is a problem where you are.
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There are several issues, but, yes, a drier climate requires more liquid, also, as you knead the dough, you will lose some hydration as well. I prefer a soft dough, as it is easy to work, I do not do a direct rise, I prefer a cold rise, and less kneading, letting the refrigerator do some of my work for me. This allows for a little more water initially, and less loss during handling and rises. It also protects against loss to evaporation, which is a problem where you are.
I prefer the refrigeration method as well. In retarding the fermentation, I feel that I get a much more robust flavor from the yeast. I sometimes hold it in the fridge for up to a week.
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I prefer the refrigeration method as well. In retarding the fermentation, I feel that I get a much more robust flavor from the yeast. I sometimes hold it in the fridge for up to a week.
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There are several issues, but, yes, a drier climate requires more liquid, also, as you knead the dough, you will lose some hydration as well. I prefer a soft dough, as it is easy to work, I do not do a direct rise, I prefer a cold rise, and less kneading, letting the refrigerator do some of my work for me. This allows for a little more water initially, and less loss during handling and rises. It also protects against loss to evaporation, which is a problem where you are.

Great info from both of you. I do a cold rise also so I can have it ready before Friday, Pizza night. I also use a Kitchenaid mixer on #1 until the dough begins to form a ball. I am not sure if even this is over kneading....I also use Purified water from the Brita® pitcher...... saw a top rated pizza place in SD on DDD and they use Arrowhead water. The city water is undrinkable and treated with fluoride.
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I do not use a mixer, I do it by hand. If I had one of those cool dough fork ones, then I would use a machine, but, that is never going to happen. I prefer to feel the dough, gives me a sense of the texture.
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Great info from both of you. I do a cold rise also so I can have it ready before Friday, Pizza night. I also use a Kitchenaid mixer on #1 until the dough begins to form a ball. I am not sure if even this is over kneading....I also use Purified water from the Brita® pitcher...... saw a top rated pizza place in SD on DDD and they use Arrowhead water. The city water is undrinkable and treated with fluoride.
Buy Peter Reinharts Book the Bread Makers Apprentice. It is the single most important book I own. Mixing the dough in a KichenAide stand mixer is ok, I use it too, ( I had a 60 qt Hobart before) but you have to watch the temperature of the dough in the bowl while mixing.
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I will second the Reinhart book, probably the best bread book out there.
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I tried this tonight in the kitchen oven and noticed a big difference in the crust, it is so much softer . Thank you.
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Thanks so much for posting this, and to all the participants in the discussion. You guys are helping me out a ton. I am a no-knead sourdough kinda guy, and make bread daily. I've been really happy with my technique with that, but recently built a little 17" WFO and have been making a ton of pizza and breads in there, and have really been struggling with the crust. I thought I knew how to make a good crust, but it's been really challenging in the WFO with 3 min. cooking times. The pizza specific forums quickly get over my head, and go deeper than I really want to go. This thread and V's oven thread have been real inspirations to me. Thanks again all, I'm hoping for pron-worthy pie before too long.
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Thanks so much for posting this, and to all the participants in the discussion. You guys are helping me out a ton. I am a no-knead sourdough kinda guy, and make bread daily. I've been really happy with my technique with that, but recently built a little 17" WFO and have been making a ton of pizza and breads in there, and have really been struggling with the crust. I thought I knew how to make a good crust, but it's been really challenging in the WFO with 3 min. cooking times. The pizza specific forums quickly get over my head, and go deeper than I really want to go. This thread and V's oven thread have been real inspirations to me. Thanks again all, I'm hoping for pron-worthy pie before too long.
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Thanks so much for posting this, and to all the participants in the discussion. You guys are helping me out a ton. I am a no-knead sourdough kinda guy, and make bread daily. I've been really happy with my technique with that, but recently built a little 17" WFO and have been making a ton of pizza and breads in there, and have really been struggling with the crust. I thought I knew how to make a good crust, but it's been really challenging in the WFO with 3 min. cooking times. The pizza specific forums quickly get over my head, and go deeper than I really want to go. This thread and V's oven thread have been real inspirations to me. Thanks again all, I'm hoping for pron-worthy pie before too long.
It came to me via a PM from an interested party. The post was in response to his request. My WFO when on point heat wise, would do a pie in 90 seconds. Here is pic I took two years ago, of my "Mayday" Pizza coming out of the oven at 850 degrees. My sweet spot. Hot Hungarian Pepperoni, Hot Italian Sausage, Hot Evoo.



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All right guys, I'll start a new thread and show you my ugly little contraption. Be warned, it's crazy.
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It came to me via a PM from an interested party. The post was in response to his request. My WFO when on point heat wise, would do a pie in 90 seconds. Here is pic I took two years ago, of my "Mayday" Pizza coming out of the oven at 850 degrees. My sweet spot. Hot Hungarian Pepperoni, Hot Italian Sausage, Hot Evoo.



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