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Unread 06-02-2013, 09:54 AM   #1
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I saw Tuffy Stone on Barbecue Pitmasters, say that one of the first things he looks for when judging, is a good smoke ring. It's my understanding that because a smoke ring can be artificially induced, consideration of the smoke ring is not allowed in KCBS judging.

I'm wondering if any of you see the popularity of Pitmasters and all the noise that comes out of the judges, as having any impact on the way your turns-ins are judged.

Is it allowed in other judging formats? Or is it just that even though smoke ring consideration is "not allowed" it gets a nod and a wink (and some consideration) anyway, in a below the radar kind of way?

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Nothing they say has any impact on my turn ins
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I think people will judge you on your smoke ring even if it's subconsciously. A good smoke ring is pretty.
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I think people will judge you on your smoke ring even if it's subconsciously. A good smoke ring is pretty.
I fully agree!!.. i turned in a brisket in Knoxville with no smoke ring and it just didn't look good.. boring...
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I think the ruling on the smoke ring is that you should not add to your appearance score "because it has an awesome smoke ring" but the overall look can be determined with the smoke ring. I think what they don't want you to do is rate it an 8 and then say, "Oh wait! I am going to give the 9 because thats an awesome smoke ring". Don't let the individual appearance of a smoke ring further inflate your overall perception. Smoke ring can make the meat looks exceptional and therefore is still part of the appearance score but not the whole reason for it.

If that makes no sense I am sorry. Trying to find the best way to explain myself. Don't think I was able.
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I think people will judge you on your smoke ring even if it's subconsciously. A good smoke ring is pretty.
Very much this .
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Tuffy isn't a judge; competes and owns his restaurants. Plus, they're not judging to any sanctioning body standard. Dont read much into this at all. They're just describing what good lookin' BBQ should look like.

Personally I prefer the brisket smoke ring definition in MBN.
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Tuffy isn't a judge; competes and owns his restaurants. Plus, they're not judging to any sanctioning body standard. Dont read much into this at all. They're just describing what good lookin' BBQ should look like.

Personally I prefer the brisket smoke ring definition in MBN.
Would love to hear it. Can you post a link? Being in the Northeast KCBS and the Brethren have been my influences.
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I saw Tuffy Stone on Barbecue Pitmasters, say that one of the first things he looks for when judging, is a good smoke ring. It's my understanding that because a smoke ring can be artificially induced, consideration of the smoke ring is not allowed in KCBS judging.

I'm wondering if any of you see the popularity of Pitmasters and all the noise that comes out of the judges, as having any impact on the way your turns-ins are judged.

Is it allowed in other judging formats? Or is it just that even though smoke ring consideration is "not allowed" it gets a nod and a wink (and some consideration) anyway, in a below the radar kind of way?

Look forward to hearing y'all's thoughts.
I absolutely think Pitmasters has influenced KCBS judging, especially new judges.
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My next door neighbor judges a lot of KCBS comps and he says he doesn't.
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Interesting topic - not so much the smoke ring question, but the larger issue of how TV shows have affected what we do at competitions.

I recently had a John Q Public inquire as to "what time the judging would be" at an upcoming contest I manage. I believe it was a direct result of this person watching television - they expected to be able to view a public judging display as on BBQ Pitmasters.
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Would love to hear it. Can you post a link? Being in the Northeast KCBS and the Brethren have been my influences.
Skip, sorry, was my pitiful attempt at humor.

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BBQ Pitmasters is a cooking game show.
Sure the contestants have some relationship to cooking BBQ, many on the KCBS BBQ circuit and some have been resturarant owners. The judges are well know professional BBQ competitors and restaurant owners. Judging does resemble and the viewer may believe that this is how BBQ contest are judged. Sure there are some similarities with the show and actual judging and how BBQ is prepared on the circuit, but the show is entertainment not educational programming.
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Smoke ring is not only not to be taken in consideration when judging and is explicitly stated so at 10:08 mark of the audio instructions judges are required to listen to before each contest.

That being said I received comment cards that said I needed to improve my smoke ring.
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Its a TV show ..................
My day job is motion picture ( TV ) and my off time is BBQ and KCBS CBJ.
Those two worlds are a world a part.
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