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Unread 01-06-2014, 08:03 AM   #811
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Glad there's a bit of light at the end of the tunnel.
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Unread 01-08-2014, 06:43 PM   #812
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Unread 01-08-2014, 09:39 PM   #813
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Not a lot going on. This winter storm was brutal. Some schools plan on being closed for a week straight. We were under a state of emergency until this morning I think. And of course, just as I suspected, this delayed getting the parts in. My guy says he's hoping he gets everything in on Friday and can send his guys out Monday, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I think realistically, if they get here by next Wednesday that would be about right.

Health department called again today and basically said he's on-call at any hour and as soon as we get that crap installed and inspection approved, he will come out and grant the license. That means if we could get inspections done by mid-week, we could open by next weekend.

It's painful, but people do seem to be doing everything they can to help. It never should have happened in the first place, but it is what it is now.

But the more concerning issue right now is the smoker. It still won't ignite. Spent hours on the phone today with both SP and the people who sold/installed the unit troubleshooting, and the unit itself appears to be just fine. Instead, this ridiculously cold weather may be to blame with the propane line. Right now, I'm using the old line that split off from the main which comes into the building and then exits outside again to hook up to the smoker. So because of the cold temps and the piping going from cold, to warm, to cold again could be creating moisture in the gas problems. Or, something could have happened to the regulator while operating in very cold temps.

Either way, I won't know until I try some heating tricks tomorrow, and if that doesn't work, call in a gas guy to take a look at it.

I can't wait to wake up from this nightmare.
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Unread 01-09-2014, 06:47 AM   #814
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man this sucks!

on the bright side, you are shaking down your smoker setup real good before you open and hopefully avoid problems and embarrassment down the line
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Unread 01-09-2014, 07:32 AM   #815
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Yeah, glad the smoker issues are getting resolved before you have a line of customers waiting for food. Best of luck over the next couple of days.
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Unread 01-09-2014, 11:15 AM   #816
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Just read this 55-pager. An astonishing journey! You've shown guts and great poise through all of this. There are times in life where you look to the heavens and say, "Really? Really." Then you have to take a breath and say, "Alright, bring it on. I can handle anything you throw at me." Laugh. Scream. Then join the battle once again, brother!
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That kind of cold, who knows what could be wrong with the smoker. Most mechanical equipment will not function normally at those temperatures.
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Not a lot going on. This winter storm was brutal. Some schools plan on being closed for a week straight. We were under a state of emergency until this morning I think. And of course, just as I suspected, this delayed getting the parts in. My guy says he's hoping he gets everything in on Friday and can send his guys out Monday, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I think realistically, if they get here by next Wednesday that would be about right.

Health department called again today and basically said he's on-call at any hour and as soon as we get that crap installed and inspection approved, he will come out and grant the license. That means if we could get inspections done by mid-week, we could open by next weekend.

It's painful, but people do seem to be doing everything they can to help. It never should have happened in the first place, but it is what it is now.

But the more concerning issue right now is the smoker. It still won't ignite. Spent hours on the phone today with both SP and the people who sold/installed the unit troubleshooting, and the unit itself appears to be just fine. Instead, this ridiculously cold weather may be to blame with the propane line. Right now, I'm using the old line that split off from the main which comes into the building and then exits outside again to hook up to the smoker. So because of the cold temps and the piping going from cold, to warm, to cold again could be creating moisture in the gas problems. Or, something could have happened to the regulator while operating in very cold temps.

Either way, I won't know until I try some heating tricks tomorrow, and if that doesn't work, call in a gas guy to take a look at it.

I can't wait to wake up from this nightmare.
having snow camped with Scouts n 0 degree weather, propane/butane do not do well at those temps. May I suggest placing plumber's pipe heating tape (like is used around water lines) on the exposed propane lines to raise the temperature several degrees?

Also, have you tried hooking up a smaller 5 - 10 gallon tank that has been kept in a warmer environment directly to the smoker? It might help eliminate variables. If it does not work with the small tank, then the problem with the smoker, if it does ignite, the problem is the delivery system to or from the building.

Just some thoughts. Wish you the best.
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Unread 01-09-2014, 01:14 PM   #819
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Stay Strong, and keep positive, in a year from now this will just be a funny story to tell your customers, and no longer a nightmare.
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I agree with Riz58.

You might look at having an electrician or plumber come out and put some heat trace tape on the gas line. I have read some of the thread, not all.....are you using a propane tank to feed the restaurant? The gas in the tank will be fine.

In your climate, the piping from the tank to the building could pose a problem.

Don't let any jackwagon size/install the tape. There are different wattages/etc. It is sold in X watts per foot....and that needs to be specifically designed for your use.

If a contractor gives you the space alien look, you might call around to some Mechanical/Plumbing engineers in the area....Someone should be able to help you.
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Unread 01-09-2014, 03:34 PM   #821
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I'm skeptical that cold temperature is affecting the propane to the point where it is not flowing. And I doubt you need to heat trace the lines. From http://www.propane101.com/propaneregulatorfreezing.htm
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As the propane passes through the regulator, it expands (resulting in sub zero temperatures) and causes the regulator to gradually reach the extremely cold temperature of the propane vapor passing through it.
This implies that propane is at subzero temperatures during normal operation.

But if you have any doubts about this, I suggest you contact your propane dealer. If cold weather is actually a problem, they will be aware of it and know how to deal with it.

I also highly doubt that there is water in the propane. It is possible that the regulator is malfunctioning. Again, this would be a good question for your propane dealer as they would probably be the right people to talk to about getting it checked and/or repaired.
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Unread 01-10-2014, 04:37 PM   #822
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Marubozo, hang in there buddy. Can't wait to try your vittles. Next time I visit my brother in Chicago I want to take a little side trip to Niles to try some good ole southern Michigan style BBQ. I'm sure it will be well worth it.
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Unread 01-13-2014, 12:53 PM   #823
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Tracked down the problem with the smoker. It's a bad ignition module. A replacement will be here on Wednesday and under warranty so it won't cost me anything. First good news I've had in a while.
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Unread 01-13-2014, 12:57 PM   #824
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Good to hear. How goes it with the other stuff?
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Good to hear. How goes it with the other stuff?
Still waiting for that call, hopefully this afternoon.
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