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Old 03-25-2013, 01:43 PM   #1
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I got a five pound pork butt. Rubbed it on Friday night. Threw it on the Vision Kamado grill at 7:00 am Saturday morning. The temperature was at a constant 225-250 degrees throughout. After six hours, the probe hit 195 degrees. i stuck a fork in it to confirm and it seemed easy to turn.

Took the pork out of the grill and wrapped it in aluminum foil and left in sitting for an hour in the oven. I took out the pork and pulled it. While very tasty, the pork was undeniably tough and dry. What the heck happened?

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Old 03-25-2013, 01:53 PM   #2
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Sounds like it wasn't ready throughout. The piece of muscle you stuck the fork in might have been a little pullable, but perhaps the rest wasn't there.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:16 PM   #3
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I would say it was not done with those times and temps.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:18 PM   #4
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Was undercooked. like the other 2 above said!
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:14 PM   #5
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Next time use a long probe that will go to the center of the roast. If there is resistance, you will need to cook it more. How did the temp probe feel going in when you checked temp? If it did not feel like going through soft butter, like everyone else said it wasn't done.

You will want to try and get away from relying on temp to tell when a piece of meat is done. With the larger pieces of meat we cook, the feel of the meat will be your best indicator. Every piece of meat will have different fat and collagen content and will cook differently. Temp can be used as a guideline for when to start checking to see if the meat is done. If you have any left, put it back in the oven to finish cooking it.
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Old 03-25-2013, 04:21 PM   #6
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Jon, if this is any consolation......I did a chuckie on my weber. No snow on the ground but wind HOWLING......Cooked all afternoon till It reached 195....felt "close enough". When I went to pull it was like a freaking old boxer glove......AWFUL.....stuck it in the oven for an hour more and it helped but still not where I want it.....Point being (as I learned) wind and especially cold wind can really suck the heat from a cooking device......I'll know better next time!!
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First off, 195F internal temperature means nothing relative to the meat being done. The fork test is not always accurate, as Bigabyte mentioned, you might have stuck a part of the butt that was ok, but, the rest was not. At the temperatures and times you mentioned, I would seriously doubt you were done cooking.

If you must use an internal temperature, which is a good way to start, measure to 190F only to determine when to test. Use a method, with a butt, such as wiggling the bone, or if there is no bone, then reach on in there, grab the roast and pull it in half, it it resists, leave it in there. There will only be one of two results doing this, it resists, stop and cook some more; it gives easily, remove and rest. Probing and forking a butt () are unreliable. There is no substitute for the getting in there are feeling that butt.
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for pork butt, the bone is your indicator, slide it out when it's done. if it resists, let it stay in and give it more time to finish.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:00 PM   #9
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I got a five pound pork butt. Rubbed it on Friday night. Threw it on the Vision Kamado grill at 7:00 am Saturday morning. The temperature was at a constant 225-250 degrees throughout. After six hours, the probe hit 195 degrees. i stuck a fork in it to confirm and it seemed easy to turn.

Took the pork out of the grill and wrapped it in aluminum foil and left in sitting for an hour in the oven. I took out the pork and pulled it. While very tasty, the pork was undeniably tough and dry. What the heck happened?

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did you have a bowl of water in the smoker to keep the humidity up?

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Old 03-25-2013, 05:49 PM   #11
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did you have a bowl of water in the smoker to keep the humidity up?

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nope... I read that was not really necessary with pork butt.

Thanks for all the others for their remarks... Going to try it again this weekend...
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When i probe mine, i got all out alien style probing, ill stab it at least 6 or 7 or 8 times in different spots. If ANY spot has resistance, it stays in. And it doesnt really loose much juice either.
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First off, 195F internal temperature means nothing relative to the meat being done. The fork test is not always accurate, as Bigabyte mentioned, you might have stuck a part of the butt that was ok, but, the rest was not. At the temperatures and times you mentioned, I would seriously doubt you were done cooking.

If you must use an internal temperature, which is a good way to start, measure to 190F only to determine when to test. Use a method, with a butt, such as wiggling the bone, or if there is no bone, then reach on in there, grab the roast and pull it in half, it it resists, leave it in there. There will only be one of two results doing this, it resists, stop and cook some more; it gives easily, remove and rest. Probing and forking a butt () are unreliable. There is no substitute for the getting in there are feeling that butt.

^ +1 on this method.......
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:09 AM   #14
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Sometimes the hardest thing to do is keep going. The temp is X. The color is X. Its been X hours. It "should" be done. Probe, probe, probe. Then if you got one, wiggle your bone.


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As the others have said ... Temp is just a Gauge on when maybe to check but I have had butts go to 210*f before they felt right or bone pulled out.
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