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Unread 03-19-2013, 06:02 AM   #2
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Here is a quote from article,
"WE don't need a vigilante group out there with cameras and video cameras taking pictures of things that we just don't like."
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I mean why can't we just TRUST that the company hired inspectors are going to be 100% truthful and best even if it makes the company look bad:)
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As a producer (cattle), these left wing, nut-job groups are agenda driven and will use any tactic to discredit a producer. They rarely if ever have any real world appreciation of farming and what it takes to get a quality product to the consumer. Think about it, in my case my cattle are a livelihood and represent a continuous investment of cash and sweat equity: what idiot would abuse them. But if your agenda is "no-red-meat" there ain't a damn thing I can do right. Try this chit on my farm and they will quickly meet Mr. Colt 1911. Yea, I care!
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As a producer (cattle), these left wing, nut-job groups are agenda driven and will use any tactic to discredit a producer. They rarely if ever have any real world appreciation of farming and what it takes to get a quality product to the consumer. Think about it, in my case my cattle are a livelihood and represent a continuous investment of cash and sweat equity: what idiot would abuse them. But if your agenda is "no-red-meat" there ain't a damn thing I can do right. Try this chit on my farm and they will quickly meet Mr. Colt 1911. Yea, I care!
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Funny there was no mention of PITA, er sorry, PETA in the article. You can bet their grubby little hands are all over the "Undercover Expose`s" and Mercy for Animals.
While I never am in favor of additional legislation addressing something that shouldn't be a problem in the first place, in this case at least I'm happy to see the Legislators sticking up for the farmers.
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Sorry brothers but this thread pricked a raw nerve. In a previous life I lobbied in Washington and before state legislatures on the behalf of professional natural resource management, rural and agricultural issues. It has been my experience (spanning some 37 years) that these kinds of organizations are all about membership, dues and fund raising, period! The more provocative they are = the more folks feel guilty = more cash flow and the truth be damned. If you care, use your pocket book; don't give them a penny or any other kind of support! Ooh, that felt pretty good, I'm done.
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You go, Dave.

Some of these videos, while many are bad actors in the animal production world, have been proven to be staged by the groups themselves. Their infiltrators are active participants in the abuse being video taped...don't forget that little fact either. They're made for TV movies directed by the jackwads at these organizations.

And if these videos are indeed accurate, you never find anybody condeming them more quickly than livestock producers, 99.9% of them who treat their animals with dignity and respect.

Then don't forget the Humane Society of the United States who has the stated goal of ending animal production in the U.S. Think about what that would mean for our little hobby of BBQing here. Then they use the pictures of little puppies and kittens to illicit contributions to help the animals.

Reality time: less than 1/2 of 1% of their entire budget goes to animals shelters. The majority of their budget goes to lobbying, salaries and contributions for retirement funds to their staff. http://humanewatch.org/index.php/the...helter_giving/

These groups are evil. End of story.
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Not sure why anyone who is interested in good animal husbandry practices and a healthy food production system in this country would support such legislation.
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As a producer (cattle), these left wing, nut-job groups are agenda driven and will use any tactic to discredit a producer. They rarely if ever have any real world appreciation of farming and what it takes to get a quality product to the consumer. Think about it, in my case my cattle are a livelihood and represent a continuous investment of cash and sweat equity: what idiot would abuse them. But if your agenda is "no-red-meat" there ain't a damn thing I can do right. Try this chit on my farm and they will quickly meet Mr. Colt 1911. Yea, I care!

there are 2 sides to the coin.
while I am one of the most vocal opponents of extremist groups like PETA,I'm also against the "coorporate" farms. I live in the middle of farm country too & it's sick to see what is ending up on our plates & in our case here-our milk.I've personally seen a cow in a sling taken to the milking machine or the slaughter house truck when it can't walk on it's own because if production is not met the truck stops coming.
if the farmer has nothing to hide why does he need protection.

remember,most our ungraded or ground beef now comes from retired dairy cows.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...safe/know.html

http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/129274/eib73.pdf

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100388893
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Having worked for the SPCA of Texas in the past and my father having worked in Animal Control / Non-Profit Humane Societies for over 30 years - I can tell you that without a doubt the majority of these videos are faked / staged. I've been to over 3 dozen cattle ranches in Texas, a couple chicken farms, and more. Sure the are a little crowded at feeding time, but same can be said about a bunch of students in a cafeteria.

PETA and the rest of those morons need to be put in their place and leave it alone. Farmers / Ranchers aren't going to mess with their livelihood.
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there are 2 sides to the coin.
while I am one of the most vocal opponents of extremist groups like PETA,I'm also against the "coorporate" farms. I live in the middle of farm country too & it's sick to see what is ending up on our plates & in our case here-our milk.I've personally seen a cow in a sling taken to the milking machine or the slaughter house truck when it can't walk on it's own because if production is not met the truck stops coming.
if the farmer has nothing to hide why does he need protection.

remember,most our ungraded or ground beef now comes from retired dairy cows.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...safe/know.html

http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/129274/eib73.pdf

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100388893
For one, and I think I represent the vast majority of producers, I'm not the least bit threatened or resistant to inspection or peer review by a qualified professional, state or federal agency or even an impartial layman - I routinely host all the above (usually providing a BBQ when they visit I might add). In my experience I always learn more and improve my operation from this kind of interaction, but I'll be damned if I'll extend the same courtesy to one of these agenda driven "groups" or the "media" that have no concept of what it takes to run a cattle ranch and the day-to-day decisions on everything from feeding to breeding to animal health to farm safety.
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It would seem to me, that while on private property, it should never be legal to take pictures or video without the consent of the property owner.
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Took my 5 yr old grandson to the circus last weekend and the PETA folks were protesting as we walked to the venue. My grandson said "what's wrong with those people" and I said "they're crazy as hell". Well, not exactly in those words. You don't have to be a veterinarian to see that those animals are well taken care of. It's how they make their living for goodness sake. I tell you what, the circus animals look a lot healthier than the animals at the local zoo.
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