Question on KCBS Pork Butts

Cloudsmoker · 12-15-2012, 11:10 PM

Thanks in advance for a newbie question. I know you cannot separate the money muscle from the shoulder while cooking. But if you want it less cooked, is it allowable to separate at an earlier internal temp, then put the rest of the butt back on?

txschutte · 12-15-2012, 11:18 PM

no.

That is separating.

que_dawg · 12-16-2012, 07:07 AM

That is against the rules in KCBS, you can't put the pork butt back on the cooker after it has been separated in any way. Lots of guys on here will cook multiple butts for that reason. They will cook multiple butts and cook two to the temp they want for the MM and two to a higher temp for pulling.

boogiesnap · 12-16-2012, 07:49 AM

not that i do it or see any reason to, but, i'm not sure if that would actually be illegal.

if the meat stayed on the cooker while the MM was sliced off and the remaining portion was still over five pounds it could be argued as legal(i.e. trimming?), so long the MM did not return to the cooker.

i could also be waaaay wrong though and wouldn't suggest trying it either way.

Goddahavit · 12-16-2012, 08:32 AM

way wrong. in my opinion.

PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Picnic and/or Whole
Shoulder, weighing a minimum of five (5) pounds. Pork shall
be cooked whole (bone in or bone out) and shall not be
separated during the cooking process. At no time shall the
meat once separated be returned to a cooker.

read it how you will, but it it clear to me, just because you can cut it in the cooker and not "return" it to the cooker, I feel the rule is clear.

It could be trimming, but then in my opinion you would consider the MM trimed meat and toss it or eat it after the comp....

boogiesnap · 12-16-2012, 09:19 AM

i can agree with that.

wjwheeler · 12-16-2012, 09:56 AM

IMHO The KCBS Board needs to better define this rule. It seems to be open to many different interpretations.

Outnumbered · 12-16-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Goddahavit

way wrong. in my opinion.

PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Picnic and/or Whole
Shoulder, weighing a minimum of five (5) pounds. Pork shall
be cooked whole (bone in or bone out) and shall not be
separated during the cooking process. At no time shall the
meat once separated be returned to a cooker.

read it how you will, but it it clear to me, just because you can cut it in the cooker and not "return" it to the cooker, I feel the rule is clear.

It could be trimming, but then in my opinion you would consider the MM trimed meat and toss it or eat it after the comp....

I see in no way how this can be misinterpreted. Shall not be separated during the cooking process is very clear. Can't return it to the cooker.

boogiesnap · 12-16-2012, 10:31 AM

agreed, i remembered it as parted and returned only....

wjwheeler · 12-16-2012, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outnumbered

I see in no way how this can be misinterpreted. Shall not be separated during the cooking process is very clear. Can't return it to the cooker.

I've seen teams at comps open the smoker and separate the mm without taking the butt out of the smoker. Since it was never taken out - it was never returned. Others have set it on the firebox and not returned it to the smoker. They felt they were not in violation of the rule.

PorkQPine · 12-16-2012, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjwheeler

I've seen teams at comps open the smoker and separate the mm without taking the butt out of the smoker. Since it was never taken out - it was never returned. Others have set it on the firebox and not returned it to the smoker. They felt they were not in violation of the rule.

This is how sports are ruined. People knowing what the rules say and trying to get around them. Kinda like politicians.

Jaskew82 · 12-16-2012, 11:00 AM

that is separating and is illegal.

Outnumbered · 12-16-2012, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaskew82

that is separating and is illegal.

That is exactly what it is. In the spirit and letter of the rule.

JD McGee · 12-16-2012, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goddahavit

PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Picnic and/or Whole
Shoulder, weighing a minimum of five (5) pounds. Pork shall
be cooked whole (bone in or bone out) and shall not be
separated during the cooking process. At no time shall the
meat once separated be returned to a cooker.

The rule is crystal clear to me...but...a cheater is gonna cheat and folks are always gonna try to argue the facts to gain an advantage...you just need to figure out which one of those folks you are.

Cloudsmoker · 12-16-2012, 02:44 PM

Thanks, all. You guys are terrific - really appreciate it.

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boogiesnap Babbling Farker Join Date: 04-22-10 Location: NEW ENGLAND Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	not that i do it or see any reason to, but, i'm not sure if that would actually be illegal. if the meat stayed on the cooker while the MM was sliced off and the remaining portion was still over five pounds it could be argued as legal(i.e. trimming?), so long the MM did not return to the cooker. i could also be waaaay wrong though and wouldn't suggest trying it either way. __________________ S'mo Q Competition BBQ Team Q so good you gotta have s'mo. Sponsored by Oakridge BBQ twin WSM 22.5's 48" DCS gasser certified MOINK baller farkanaut in training avatar by grillman CLICK HERE to visit the BBQ Brethren Throwdowns

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Goddahavit Take a breath! Join Date: 08-18-08 Location: PA, Fleetwood Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	way wrong. in my opinion. PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Picnic and/or Whole Shoulder, weighing a minimum of five (5) pounds. Pork shall be cooked whole (bone in or bone out) and shall not be separated during the cooking process. At no time shall the meat once separated be returned to a cooker. read it how you will, but it it clear to me, just because you can cut it in the cooker and not "return" it to the cooker, I feel the rule is clear. It could be trimming, but then in my opinion you would consider the MM trimed meat and toss it or eat it after the comp.... __________________ Fire & Spice Cook Team Backwoods Authorized Dealer fireandspicebbq@gmail.com Backyard Jambo Backwoods Gater Stump's Stretch Bubba Keg Meadowcreek PR60 Weber WSM Old weber gasser

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wjwheeler On the road to being a farker Join Date: 05-30-11 Location: Cleveland TN Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	IMHO The KCBS Board needs to better define this rule. It seems to be open to many different interpretations. __________________ Bill Wheeler Cleveland TN competition team member Que'n Stew'n & Brew'n Southern Q Model 500 Water Smoker Jacks Old South Original Patio Smoker Jambo FEC-100 Bradley Smoker

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