Judging: Among The Brethren. - Page 4

Sawdustguy · 11-13-2005, 08:35 PM

Phil,

I understand what you are saying. To a rookie team like mine, we could care less because the odds of winning an event at this point is slim. To the better teams though, they are competing for some relatively big bucks. Grand Champions can take home anywhere from $3000 to $8000 for a large contest. As soon as money enters the picture, things change.

Ron_L · 05-21-2007, 03:01 PM

It's been a coupl eof years since we beat this one to death

, but I'm judging my first competition this coming weekend, aqnd I plan on walking around (incognito, of course

) on Saturday evening (it is a Saturday-Sunday competition) to visit the Brethren teams and the whole gaggle of local teams that I have gotten to know at other comps. The consensus from the old posts seems to be: Visit, stay out front and out of the cooking area, and don't fly any one's colors. Do you all still agree with this?

The_Kapn · 05-21-2007, 03:44 PM

This is one of the few "resurrections" that we have suffered recently that really warrant it--thanks

This was a grand and enlightening discussion that holds true today.
Thanks to all that provided input!
Brethren Integrity!

TIM

Moderator's Note--I just made this a Sticky--I think it is that important!

SloppyQ · 05-21-2007, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron_L

It's been a coupl eof years since we beat this one to death

, but I'm judging my first competition this coming weekend, aqnd I plan on walking around (incognito, of course

) on Saturday evening (it is a Saturday-Sunday competition) to visit the Brethren teams and the whole gaggle of local teams that I have gotten to know at other comps. The consensus from the old posts seems to be: Visit, stay out front and out of the cooking area, and don't fly any one's colors. Do you all still agree with this?

Agreed Ron, I will be doing the same this weekend and I plan on having a good time in a tasteful manner as to not create a problem for any brethren teams.

Smokin Gator · 05-22-2007, 05:17 AM

Thanks to Ron for resurrecting this and to Tim for making it a sticky. I had never ran across this one and it was very relevent to me.

I will be judging my first contest in a couple of weeks. It is close to my hometown and I have been looking forward to seeing some of the Brethren I met at my first comp a month ago and meeting some new Brothers (to me) as well. I will try to say hello to everyone on Friday night... maybe share a beer and a laugh and then move on.

Saturday after judging I will be glad to help anyone with any breakdown or whatever but will not go by anyone's area on Saturday morning.

pigmaker23 · 05-22-2007, 02:29 PM

The 2007 Judges CD they play at the Judges Meeting clearly states that no judge shall fraternize with any team the the day of the contest until the judging has been completed. The old rule was no contact after the judges meeting had been held. In either case the night before is OK, and with all things, everything in moderation.....

ModelMaker · 05-28-2007, 07:32 AM

It's really too bad that KCBS changed the no frat rule to ANY contact the morning of the contest. There were a couple contests I judged last year that I didn't make Fri. night. I showed up early to walk through and say hi to teams I met before and to meet some new teams ( this is why I judge).
I never stayed long and just made chit-chat and after the judges meeting stayed clear. Apparently a few have ruined it for all.
ModelMaker

Jeff Hughes · 05-28-2007, 12:52 PM

The reason the KCBS changed the Saturday rule is that some judges were abusing their status(in their own minds). Some judges felt they could waltz into a camp, poke around, open the smoker, and generally act like the had no boundries.

If you've ever competed, you know that Saturday morning flat out not the time for chit chat...

MilitantSquatter · 05-28-2007, 01:37 PM

Jeff - Where did you get that info from ? I don't recall ever hearing that as the reason.. Much different than what was posted in earlier posts..

Jeff Hughes · 05-29-2007, 03:17 AM

I learned that from Merl Whitebrook.

I'm sure the conflict of interest issues came into play as well.

J Appledog · 06-06-2007, 06:11 PM

I judge a bit, compete a little and am a KCBS rep-in-training. How do I identify fellow Brethren?

The_Kapn · 06-06-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Appledog

I judge a bit, compete a little and am a KCBS rep-in-training. How do I identify fellow Brethren?

Identifying Brethren is really not central to this thread.
I hope it is about the awareness of "perceptions" as we compete and judge.

Beyond that--some teams have bought banners, tee shirts, and "whatever" with our distinctive logo.

Otherwise, look for Margarita machines, boom/karaoke boxes, and other signs of demented cookers among the party crowd.

And, finally, print a list of the "Brethren Members Teams" and take it with you

TIM

J Appledog · 06-06-2007, 07:16 PM

Where does one buy t-shirts or "whatever" with the logo? I know few cookers who aren't a bit demented, Tim!

The list is a good idea....

BadBoysBBQ · 06-06-2007, 07:40 PM

This is the first time I have seen this thread and as I have been reading through the posts I think this topic is great. I am not a judge but do compete. I have not had this issue come up so I have never even thought about it but as I was reading I have to agree with Dr BBQ's first post on the second page. Obviously double blind judging is there to eliminate judges from knowing who's entries are who's. This should permanently and forever eliminate anyone's complaining if a judge is hanging out with any one team no matter what the circumstances. I see Ray's point about Poobah cooking prime rib in one of our guys tents and think it was a very classy call to make just getting them to take a look at what was going on. We all know that it's very difficult to realize that you may be doing something stupid when you obviously don't have it in your head that you are. But I will say that although these competitions are expensive and time consuming and a lot of us take this sport very seriously, there is a reason we all do this. I don't even think it's really all about BBQ. It's the comraderie! Where else can you go and drink beer with your best friends, hang out all night without the wives nagging you, compete in something you love with the passion that makes life grand? In my opinion if you take away the hanging out or comraderie the sport dies, period! Again I see the gray area and think this topic is fantastic but bbq cooks are judges and vice versa so the same people who compete with their friends, judge their friends and so on. Forbid that friendship and you will end up with no one wanting to judge, thus no competition. Make judging triple blind and blindfold the damn judges lol cause I'm hanging out with my bbq brothers until the sun comes up Saturday morning. At that time I will clink my coffe cup with my friends and bid them farewell and good luck cause I have a job to do and that job is to find the best bbq cooks in the world, no matter if they are my brothers or not. This is the way it should be. Use your farking head, get out of the tent when Saturday rolls around, don't touch the pit Friday night, go around and wish all the teams good luck cause even though they may not be a member of our site we are all in fact brothers in barbecue. Some of us are just smarter than others and know to hang with the cool crowd.

Rub · 06-06-2007, 08:22 PM

I'm just disappointed I didn't get any of the prime rib in Key Largo back in 2005...

...of course I probably didn't know any of you back then...

11-13-2005, 08:35 PM	#46
Sawdustguy Babbling Farker Join Date: 09-13-05 Location: Manorville, Long Island	Phil, I understand what you are saying. To a rookie team like mine, we could care less because the odds of winning an event at this point is slim. To the better teams though, they are competing for some relatively big bucks. Grand Champions can take home anywhere from $3000 to $8000 for a large contest. As soon as money enters the picture, things change. __________________ Guy (Team Captain)(KCBS CBJ) proud member of the Polish Illuminati The North East's Exclusive Spicewine Smoker Dealer Team: *Two Fat Polocks BBQ Team* Equipment: "Sam I Am": XL Big Green Egg "Spicey": Spicewine Custom Cooker "Barbra Q": Lang 84 Deluxe "Binky": Brinkman Professional Grill

05-21-2007, 03:01 PM	#47
Ron_L Moderator Join Date: 12-09-04 Location: Batavia, IL	It's been a coupl eof years since we beat this one to death , but I'm judging my first competition this coming weekend, aqnd I plan on walking around (incognito, of course ) on Saturday evening (it is a Saturday-Sunday competition) to visit the Brethren teams and the whole gaggle of local teams that I have gotten to know at other comps. The consensus from the old posts seems to be: Visit, stay out front and out of the cooking area, and don't fly any one's colors. Do you all still agree with this? __________________ "Ron Rico, Boss. You can call me Captain Ron..." Captain Ron's Brew-n-Que Official Coffeegeek of the Brethren! Save The Fatty! FEC-100/Memphis Pro SS/LBGE X 2/SBGE/Mini BGE/Nomad Pellet-matic/Good-One Model 42/WSM X 2/MSG/Cookshack Smokette 008/Weber Performer/Weber Gasser/Weber Kettle X 2/Weber Smokey Joe/Weber Portable/Coffee Roasting Gasser Remembering a friend

05-21-2007, 03:44 PM	#48
The_Kapn Moderator Emeritus Join Date: 04-08-04 Location: Marianna, FL	This is one of the few "resurrections" that we have suffered recently that really warrant it--thanks This was a grand and enlightening discussion that holds true today. Thanks to all that provided input! Brethren Integrity! TIM Moderator's Note--I just made this a Sticky--I think it is that important! __________________ "Flirtin' with Disaster" BBQ Team FBA and KCBS Cook and Judge. Former owner of a WSM, a Smokey Joe, and the legendary "StudeDera". Now cooking with a Charbroil Commercial Gasser, a FEC100, and a Traeger Lil' Tex. NSDQ and SGDM.

05-22-2007, 05:17 AM	#50
Smokin Gator Babbling Farker Join Date: 12-01-06 Location: Fernandina Beach FL	Thanks to Ron for resurrecting this and to Tim for making it a sticky. I had never ran across this one and it was very relevent to me. I will be judging my first contest in a couple of weeks. It is close to my hometown and I have been looking forward to seeing some of the Brethren I met at my first comp a month ago and meeting some new Brothers (to me) as well. I will try to say hello to everyone on Friday night... maybe share a beer and a laugh and then move on. Saturday after judging I will be glad to help anyone with any breakdown or whatever but will not go by anyone's area on Saturday morning. __________________ [SIZE="2"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Food! It's the second most important thing to a young man, and the most important to an old one.[/FONT][/SIZE] ______________________________________________ -Brent Smokin Gators BBQ Team Medium Amazin' Blue Spicewine - It's a Swamp Thing UDS Large BGE - Adopted Medium BGE - Adopted Weber 22 inch w/mods Weber SJP Stoker Weber Genesis Silver C Gasser Constant wood lurker FBA CBJ

05-22-2007, 02:29 PM	#51
pigmaker23 is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 08-17-06 Location: Albany, NY	The 2007 Judges CD they play at the Judges Meeting clearly states that no judge shall fraternize with any team the the day of the contest until the judging has been completed. The old rule was no contact after the judges meeting had been held. In either case the night before is OK, and with all things, everything in moderation..... __________________ Eric Johnson Mr. Bobo's Traveling BBQ Allstars *2009 Jack Daniels World BBQ Brisket Champion* *_______________________________________* *Backwoods Fatboy & Chubby* *Jedmaster " BabyJed" Ring of Fire* *OK Joe 84" Offset Trailer* KCBS Judge MBN Judge

05-28-2007, 07:32 AM	#52
ModelMaker is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 04-21-06 Location: Evansdale IA (N.E.)	It's really too bad that KCBS changed the no frat rule to ANY contact the morning of the contest. There were a couple contests I judged last year that I didn't make Fri. night. I showed up early to walk through and say hi to teams I met before and to meet some new teams ( this is why I judge). I never stayed long and just made chit-chat and after the judges meeting stayed clear. Apparently a few have ruined it for all. ModelMaker __________________ Designer of a custom drum smoker Customized Aussie gas passer Turkey fryer Extremely seasoned hand hammered Wok Pit Boss-HART BURN Competition BBQ Team KCBS certified judge And Your not the boss of me either!!

05-28-2007, 12:52 PM	#53
Jeff Hughes Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 02-03-06 Location: tulsa oklahoma	The reason the KCBS changed the Saturday rule is that some judges were abusing their status(in their own minds). Some judges felt they could waltz into a camp, poke around, open the smoker, and generally act like the had no boundries. If you've ever competed, you know that Saturday morning flat out not the time for chit chat... __________________ Klose 72" Mobile Medium BGE HastyBake Legacy 22" Weber Kettle(10 bucks@garage sale)

05-28-2007, 01:37 PM	#54
MilitantSquatter Moderator Join Date: 09-17-05 Location: Merrick, NY	Jeff - Where did you get that info from ? I don't recall ever hearing that as the reason.. Much different than what was posted in earlier posts.. __________________ Vinny Custom Klose BYC BGE - XL 22" Weber Kettle, Smokey Joe & a Gasser Former owner : Medium Spicewine, Pitts & Spitts, (2) Medium BGE's, (2) WSM's, 18" Weber Kettle

05-29-2007, 03:17 AM	#55
Jeff Hughes Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 02-03-06 Location: tulsa oklahoma	I learned that from Merl Whitebrook. I'm sure the conflict of interest issues came into play as well. __________________ Klose 72" Mobile Medium BGE HastyBake Legacy 22" Weber Kettle(10 bucks@garage sale)

06-06-2007, 06:11 PM	#56
J Appledog On the road to being a farker Join Date: 01-28-07 Location: 42:56:44.390N, 85:35:16.141W	I judge a bit, compete a little and am a KCBS rep-in-training. How do I identify fellow Brethren? __________________ a flock Weber kettles a gaggle of Big Green Eggs a tiny Cookshack and Shirley, the Lang FBA; GLBBQ; KCBS CBJ Team Mrs. Dog's M22 BBQ The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind. Humphrey Bogart

06-06-2007, 07:16 PM	#58
J Appledog On the road to being a farker Join Date: 01-28-07 Location: 42:56:44.390N, 85:35:16.141W	Where does one buy t-shirts or "whatever" with the logo? I know few cookers who aren't a bit demented, Tim! The list is a good idea.... __________________ a flock Weber kettles a gaggle of Big Green Eggs a tiny Cookshack and Shirley, the Lang FBA; GLBBQ; KCBS CBJ Team Mrs. Dog's M22 BBQ The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind. Humphrey Bogart

06-06-2007, 07:40 PM	#59
BadBoysBBQ is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 07-18-06 Location: Lee's Summit, MO	This is the first time I have seen this thread and as I have been reading through the posts I think this topic is great. I am not a judge but do compete. I have not had this issue come up so I have never even thought about it but as I was reading I have to agree with Dr BBQ's first post on the second page. Obviously double blind judging is there to eliminate judges from knowing who's entries are who's. This should permanently and forever eliminate anyone's complaining if a judge is hanging out with any one team no matter what the circumstances. I see Ray's point about Poobah cooking prime rib in one of our guys tents and think it was a very classy call to make just getting them to take a look at what was going on. We all know that it's very difficult to realize that you may be doing something stupid when you obviously don't have it in your head that you are. But I will say that although these competitions are expensive and time consuming and a lot of us take this sport very seriously, there is a reason we all do this. I don't even think it's really all about BBQ. It's the comraderie! Where else can you go and drink beer with your best friends, hang out all night without the wives nagging you, compete in something you love with the passion that makes life grand? In my opinion if you take away the hanging out or comraderie the sport dies, period! Again I see the gray area and think this topic is fantastic but bbq cooks are judges and vice versa so the same people who compete with their friends, judge their friends and so on. Forbid that friendship and you will end up with no one wanting to judge, thus no competition. Make judging triple blind and blindfold the damn judges lol cause I'm hanging out with my bbq brothers until the sun comes up Saturday morning. At that time I will clink my coffe cup with my friends and bid them farewell and good luck cause I have a job to do and that job is to find the best bbq cooks in the world, no matter if they are my brothers or not. This is the way it should be. Use your farking head, get out of the tent when Saturday rolls around, don't touch the pit Friday night, go around and wish all the teams good luck cause even though they may not be a member of our site we are all in fact brothers in barbecue. Some of us are just smarter than others and know to hang with the cool crowd. __________________ *Jordan* MOFO Chapter Bad Boys Barbecue -24 X 72 Peoria Custom Cooker -The Good-One (30 Patio) -King Kooker Hot Tub -WSM (DR) http://www.myspace.com/badboysbarbecue

06-06-2007, 08:22 PM	#60
Rub is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 09-25-06 Location: Winter Haven, FL	I'm just disappointed I didn't get any of the prime rib in Key Largo back in 2005... ...of course I probably didn't know any of you back then... __________________ -Rub Swamp Boys '09 Jack Daniels World BBQ Pork Champion Stump's Stretch, GF 222 Stump's offset 6x42 hog cooker Large BGE w/compact table Weber Ranch Kettle Cook FBA & KCBS Gator Nation