Low-Sugar Rubs/ Mops

VitaminQ · 10-12-2005, 12:58 PM

Any of youse guys have any experience with low-sugar rubs and/or mops. I'm doing this low-carb thing, and would like to expunge the sugar from my Q if at all possible. I may try replacing rub sugar with a little Splenda, but that just seems like it's gonna fail for some reason.
I usually use apple juice and beer in my mops, both of which are out-of-bounds for now. I was thinking about some sugar-free flavored drink mix or Snapple or something maybe with some cider vinegar.
I also have no idea how you might even figure how much sugar would actually end up in a serving of briket, butt, etc. after being rubbed and mopped with sugar-containing stuff. Any ideas?

(Mods: feel free to move this to the Low-carb board if it belongs there)

willkat98 · 10-12-2005, 01:13 PM

Dreamland BBQ sauce is pretty Atkins friendly, as are most vinegar based sauces

www.dreamlandbbq.com

other link deleted as it was not bbq related

ggeilman · 10-12-2005, 01:57 PM

You know that is just an invitation for me to do that when I get home. Locked out from it here at work.

willkat98 · 10-12-2005, 01:59 PM

I see shipping is still free.

4 Quarts for $36 is the one I use to get.

jt · 10-12-2005, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggeilman

You know that is just an invitation for me to do that when I get home. Locked out from it here at work.

The bbq site or the other one?

ggeilman · 10-12-2005, 02:36 PM

I can get to the bbq site

chad · 10-12-2005, 03:24 PM

Sugar substituetes will suck in que mop or rub. This applies to diet drinks, too.

Use cider - plain is fine - for a spray if you just have to spray. You can use it to moisten the meat to hold your rub, too.

Just drop the sugar in your rub along with some of the salt (they work together to develop the flavors).

If you feel like you must have some sweetness I'd recommend using turbinado sugar in place of the brown or white sugar and perhaps put it on the meat before you put your rub on.

willkat98 · 10-12-2005, 09:11 PM

Good point Chad. Forgot that when I originally saw it.

Diet drinks. Don't even try it. 2 kinds of substitute. Nutrasweet (Diet Coke, Pepsi, et al) are not cookable sugar substitutes.

Splenda (Coke Zero) can be used in baking, but I'd still shy away from it.

So I'm throwing this one back at Chad.

David, in your hab jelly, is there alot of sugar (I know there is vinegar)

My point, is glazing ribs with hab jelly atkins friendly?

chad · 10-12-2005, 09:13 PM

Each batch has about 6 cups of sugar - it's a true jelly. So, no, it's not Atkins friendly!

willkat98 · 10-12-2005, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chad

Each batch has about 6 cups of sugar - it's a true jelly. So, no, it's not Atkins friendly!

Would you ever consider trying it with Splenda? At 6 cups (Splenda is a 1 to 1 ratio versus Nutrasweet which is whacked (for those playing at home)) it would definitely be pricey, but I would shoot you down a Costco bag of Splenda (we buy it by the case for my kid) if you'd ever care to give it a whirl.

I got 2 jars left, and I'm now craving ribs

spicewine · 10-12-2005, 10:17 PM

I think you all missed the concept. People like me are alowed a few carbs per meal. Therefore no substitute that I have found is ever going to take the place of good Q. One must just moderate the amount of the good things and still enjoy what we have. I have been working for the last year to produce a "Low Carb--Low Sugar" BBQ Sauce that has a competition flavor. So far No Luck. I am still too high in carbs. I even went exotic and tried to use the Mexican ,Agave plant sweetner which is low in sugar and carbs but does not exactly work well with the other ingredients. I don't give up very easily--.

I do enjoy my BBQ sauces but I have to rember the 2 Tablespoon limit for the carbs.

Just rember 2 tablespoons of the good stuff ---is better than none at all.

Go Low Carb but don't give up the things you love--everything is moderation.

chad · 10-13-2005, 06:39 AM

I made a Splenda batch - it sucked. The sugar is a component of the jelly - I didn't have any xantham gum to stabilize it - now I do so I may try it again.

I agree with Jay, I don't give up sauces just because of the sugar/carb thing. Maybe during "induction" you have to lay off but after that a few grams won't kill your low carb diet.

VitaminQ · 10-13-2005, 07:36 AM

Thanks!
I'm not that worried about the sauces, to be honest. I use very little sauce anyway, so it's not that big a deal for me. It sounds like I can leave the sugar out of rubs and still come up with a good product. I've already come up with a pretty decent sugar-free poultry rub. That may be another case of a little bit not being a deal-breaker. I've been using some Head Country rub and haven't broken the bank. Same way with mops. I was just wondering if there was a good way to cut some of the sugar out of this stuff without sacrificing too much. Thank God in Heaven that fatties are low-carb!

Anyone ever use stevia for anything? I haven't, but I've read a little bit about it, and was wondering. It's a Stevia wonder, so to speak.

ggeilman · 10-13-2005, 07:31 PM

Hmmm, seems they didn't pay their domain fees.

slat · 10-13-2005, 08:23 PM

I use a salt-free greek seasoning (Cavenders) and some Kosher salt for a rub sometimes. Not bad stuff. Another option you might try.

10-12-2005, 12:58 PM	#1
VitaminQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-29-05 Location: Dallas, TX Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Low-Sugar Rubs/ Mops Any of youse guys have any experience with low-sugar rubs and/or mops. I'm doing this low-carb thing, and would like to expunge the sugar from my Q if at all possible. I may try replacing rub sugar with a little Splenda, but that just seems like it's gonna fail for some reason. I usually use apple juice and beer in my mops, both of which are out-of-bounds for now. I was thinking about some sugar-free flavored drink mix or Snapple or something maybe with some cider vinegar. I also have no idea how you might even figure how much sugar would actually end up in a serving of briket, butt, etc. after being rubbed and mopped with sugar-containing stuff. Any ideas? (Mods: feel free to move this to the Low-carb board if it belongs there) __________________ Shohn ECB w/mods Weber Smokey Joe 18" Weber Kettle 22" Weber clone kettle Curb-foundling char-broil gasser WSM: Assembled! First cook: 8/25/06 Fanatical devotion to the Q

10-12-2005, 01:13 PM	#2
willkat98 somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: Chicago Western Burbs, but always south of Madison Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Dreamland BBQ sauce is pretty Atkins friendly, as are most vinegar based sauces www.dreamlandbbq.com other link deleted as it was not bbq related __________________ . Bill-Chicago "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." - Jack Reacher Bandera, M-BGE, WSM, Gold Kettle, Kenmore Gasser, 36Qt Turkey Fryer, ECB, Dutch Oven Last edited by willkat98; 10-13-2005 at 08:07 PM..

10-12-2005, 01:57 PM	#3
ggeilman is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 08-14-05 Location: San Antonio, TX Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You know that is just an invitation for me to do that when I get home. Locked out from it here at work. __________________ NB Bandera with mods, Weber Kettle, Texas Trailblazer

10-12-2005, 01:59 PM	#4
willkat98 somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: Chicago Western Burbs, but always south of Madison Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I see shipping is still free. 4 Quarts for $36 is the one I use to get. __________________ . Bill-Chicago "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." - Jack Reacher Bandera, M-BGE, WSM, Gold Kettle, Kenmore Gasser, 36Qt Turkey Fryer, ECB, Dutch Oven

10-12-2005, 02:36 PM	#6
ggeilman is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 08-14-05 Location: San Antonio, TX Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I can get to the bbq site __________________ NB Bandera with mods, Weber Kettle, Texas Trailblazer

10-12-2005, 03:24 PM	#7
chad somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 08-13-03 Location: Clearwater, FL Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sugar substituetes will suck in que mop or rub. This applies to diet drinks, too. Use cider - plain is fine - for a spray if you just have to spray. You can use it to moisten the meat to hold your rub, too. Just drop the sugar in your rub along with some of the salt (they work together to develop the flavors). If you feel like you must have some sweetness I'd recommend using turbinado sugar in place of the brown or white sugar and perhaps put it on the meat before you put your rub on. __________________ Dave Southern Brethren BBQ Competition Team "It's all about getting paid!" - Myron Mixon "I love being hated in my hometown!" - David Hair KingFisher Gator Rotisserie cooker, WSM, Stainless 5 burner with IR gas grill, Turkey Fryer, Weber JD Commemorative grill, slightly used Bandera chamber for future use as a cold smoker, Masterbuilt 40" insulated ELECTRIC smoker

10-12-2005, 09:11 PM	#8
willkat98 somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: Chicago Western Burbs, but always south of Madison Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Good point Chad. Forgot that when I originally saw it. Diet drinks. Don't even try it. 2 kinds of substitute. Nutrasweet (Diet Coke, Pepsi, et al) are not cookable sugar substitutes. Splenda (Coke Zero) can be used in baking, but I'd still shy away from it. So I'm throwing this one back at Chad. David, in your hab jelly, is there alot of sugar (I know there is vinegar) My point, is glazing ribs with hab jelly atkins friendly? __________________ . Bill-Chicago "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." - Jack Reacher Bandera, M-BGE, WSM, Gold Kettle, Kenmore Gasser, 36Qt Turkey Fryer, ECB, Dutch Oven

10-12-2005, 09:13 PM	#9
chad somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 08-13-03 Location: Clearwater, FL Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Each batch has about 6 cups of sugar - it's a true jelly. So, no, it's not Atkins friendly! __________________ Dave Southern Brethren BBQ Competition Team "It's all about getting paid!" - Myron Mixon "I love being hated in my hometown!" - David Hair KingFisher Gator Rotisserie cooker, WSM, Stainless 5 burner with IR gas grill, Turkey Fryer, Weber JD Commemorative grill, slightly used Bandera chamber for future use as a cold smoker, Masterbuilt 40" insulated ELECTRIC smoker

10-12-2005, 10:17 PM	#11
spicewine Babbling Farker Join Date: 09-13-04 Location: Columbia Missouri Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think you all missed the concept. People like me are alowed a few carbs per meal. Therefore no substitute that I have found is ever going to take the place of good Q. One must just moderate the amount of the good things and still enjoy what we have. I have been working for the last year to produce a "Low Carb--Low Sugar" BBQ Sauce that has a competition flavor. So far No Luck. I am still too high in carbs. I even went exotic and tried to use the Mexican ,Agave plant sweetner which is low in sugar and carbs but does not exactly work well with the other ingredients. I don't give up very easily--. I do enjoy my BBQ sauces but I have to rember the 2 Tablespoon limit for the carbs. Just rember 2 tablespoons of the good stuff ---is better than none at all. Go Low Carb but don't give up the things you love--everything is moderation. __________________ The "Sauce Whisperer" SPICEWINE IRONWORKS Award Winning Smokers, Sauces and Spices Columbia Missouri www.spicewineironworks.com PERFECT, PERFECT 180 CHICKEN 2011 1ST. PLACE PORK AMERICAN ROYAL (OPEN) 2012 BEST SAUCE IN THE WORLD ( BLUE COLLAR ) AMERICAN ROYAL 2009 BEST RUB IN THE WORLD ( HEFFER DUST ) AMERICAN ROYAL 2007 MOFO Chapter CISC Master BBQ Chef

10-13-2005, 06:39 AM	#12
chad somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 08-13-03 Location: Clearwater, FL Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I made a Splenda batch - it sucked. The sugar is a component of the jelly - I didn't have any xantham gum to stabilize it - now I do so I may try it again. I agree with Jay, I don't give up sauces just because of the sugar/carb thing. Maybe during "induction" you have to lay off but after that a few grams won't kill your low carb diet. __________________ Dave Southern Brethren BBQ Competition Team "It's all about getting paid!" - Myron Mixon "I love being hated in my hometown!" - David Hair KingFisher Gator Rotisserie cooker, WSM, Stainless 5 burner with IR gas grill, Turkey Fryer, Weber JD Commemorative grill, slightly used Bandera chamber for future use as a cold smoker, Masterbuilt 40" insulated ELECTRIC smoker

10-13-2005, 07:36 AM	#13
VitaminQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-29-05 Location: Dallas, TX Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks! I'm not that worried about the sauces, to be honest. I use very little sauce anyway, so it's not that big a deal for me. It sounds like I can leave the sugar out of rubs and still come up with a good product. I've already come up with a pretty decent sugar-free poultry rub. That may be another case of a little bit not being a deal-breaker. I've been using some Head Country rub and haven't broken the bank. Same way with mops. I was just wondering if there was a good way to cut some of the sugar out of this stuff without sacrificing too much. Thank God in Heaven that fatties are low-carb! Anyone ever use stevia for anything? I haven't, but I've read a little bit about it, and was wondering. It's a Stevia wonder, so to speak. __________________ Shohn ECB w/mods Weber Smokey Joe 18" Weber Kettle 22" Weber clone kettle Curb-foundling char-broil gasser WSM: Assembled! First cook: 8/25/06 Fanatical devotion to the Q

10-13-2005, 07:31 PM	#14
ggeilman is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 08-14-05 Location: San Antonio, TX Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hmmm, seems they didn't pay their domain fees. __________________ NB Bandera with mods, Weber Kettle, Texas Trailblazer

10-13-2005, 08:23 PM	#15
slat is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 10-10-03 Location: Marble Hill, Missouri Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I use a salt-free greek seasoning (Cavenders) and some Kosher salt for a rub sometimes. Not bad stuff. Another option you might try. __________________ Cell 573-979-2426 Proud member of the MOFO chapter. Bandera Turkey Fryer Rusting and corroding Gas Grill

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