Rookie question: Why not just turn in point meat?

Jaskew82 · 06-03-2012, 09:03 AM

It's so damn good. Seems like a lot of people prefer it to the flat.

Do judges expect slices from the flat or is there a rule against it or something.

Sorry for the dumb question, just curious.

CBQ · 06-03-2012, 09:20 AM

No rule against it, you can turn in the brisket however you want. Maybe sliced point would do when, I haven't tried it.

Ford · 06-03-2012, 09:39 AM

You should take a KCBS judging class for the answer. Myron did discuss it on the 1st episode when he pulled the brisket apart. Point won't do that.

boogiesnap · 06-03-2012, 09:39 AM

i judged a box of just cubed point at williepalooza. i judged as presented. didn't matter to me there were no flat slices. unfortunately they weren't very good. (sorry to whoever cooked it).

but, i think the odds of getting 6 judges to be as impartial in their judging is very slim. maybe 5, maybe 4, but SOMEONE at that table is going to ding you for not having sliced flat, and offending the least amount of judges is the goal.

boogiesnap · 06-03-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ford

You should take a KCBS judging class for the answer. Myron did discuss it on the 1st episode when he pulled the brisket apart. Point won't do that.

i took the judging class, i hope you refer to "judge as presented" .

the pull test isn't a criteria for judging; merely an indicator.

dmprantz · 06-03-2012, 09:54 AM

Just cubed point has been turned in and done well. So has sliced point. Turn in the best product that you have and hope the judges where it lands judge it as presented every time.

Ford · 06-03-2012, 10:57 AM

I was referring to the pull test. In the tent judges do it.

I support judge as presented but probably only 80% in the tent actually do so. The others go in with preconceived ideas and score accordingly.

Jorge · 06-03-2012, 11:10 AM

Risk/Reward. I know people that have taken some gambles, and been rewarded. I know some that have been punished. If you turn something in out of the norm, it better be cooked perfectly.

As soon as that box is opened, and the judges see something different the cook just invited additional scrutiny whether they intended to or not.

bbqbrad · 06-03-2012, 12:22 PM

One time my flat was crap. Pure crap. But my burnt ends were great! Turned them in and got 12th!

big brother smoke · 06-03-2012, 12:52 PM

Sometimes thinking inside the box is a good thing!

Jaskew82 · 06-03-2012, 12:56 PM

Thanks guys. I am sure part of my thinking is because the flats I cook don't come out half as good as the ones you do! If I was that good at cooking brisket, I am sure sliced flats would be outstanding too!

06-03-2012, 09:03 AM	#1
Jaskew82 is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-20-11 Location: Airmont, NY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Rookie question: Why not just turn in point meat? It's so damn good. Seems like a lot of people prefer it to the flat. Do judges expect slices from the flat or is there a rule against it or something. Sorry for the dumb question, just curious. __________________ Hillside BBQ 2013 Stumps Classic - Delivered 4/15/13 Large BGE - Rescued 2012 2010 WSM 22.5" 2010 Weber genesis gas grill Rescued 22.5 Weber One-touch gold Yellow Thermopen BBQ Guru CyberQ 2011 Built UDS - Retired

06-03-2012, 09:20 AM	#2
CBQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 01-11-09 Location: Cumberland, RI Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No rule against it, you can turn in the brisket however you want. Maybe sliced point would do when, I haven't tried it. __________________ Chris __________________ ZBQ Competition BBQ Team, Rhode Island www.teamzbq.com KCBS, KCBS CBJ, NEBS

06-03-2012, 09:39 AM	#3
Ford is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 04-14-07 Location: Lakeland Florida Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You should take a KCBS judging class for the answer. Myron did discuss it on the 1st episode when he pulled the brisket apart. Point won't do that. __________________ Ford Owner/Head Cook/Chief Bottle Washer for Great Lakes BBQ & Feed Competition BBQ Team FBA Member, KCBS Member & KCBS Certified BBQ Judge Spicewine medium, weber kettle, gas grill

06-03-2012, 09:39 AM	#4
boogiesnap Babbling Farker Join Date: 04-22-10 Location: NEW ENGLAND Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i judged a box of just cubed point at williepalooza. i judged as presented. didn't matter to me there were no flat slices. unfortunately they weren't very good. (sorry to whoever cooked it). but, i think the odds of getting 6 judges to be as impartial in their judging is very slim. maybe 5, maybe 4, but SOMEONE at that table is going to ding you for not having sliced flat, and offending the least amount of judges is the goal. __________________ S'mo Q Competition BBQ Team Q so good you gotta have s'mo. Sponsored by Oakridge BBQ twin WSM 22.5's 48" DCS gasser certified MOINK baller farkanaut in training avatar by grillman CLICK HERE to visit the BBQ Brethren Throwdowns

06-03-2012, 09:54 AM	#6
dmprantz is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 01-11-08 Location: Nashville Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Just cubed point has been turned in and done well. So has sliced point. Turn in the best product that you have and hope the judges where it lands judge it as presented every time. __________________ The Beast - Custom Vertical Offset by Bates FEC-100 Large Big Green Egg® Weber Performer

06-03-2012, 10:57 AM	#7
Ford is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 04-14-07 Location: Lakeland Florida Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was referring to the pull test. In the tent judges do it. I support judge as presented but probably only 80% in the tent actually do so. The others go in with preconceived ideas and score accordingly. __________________ Ford Owner/Head Cook/Chief Bottle Washer for Great Lakes BBQ & Feed Competition BBQ Team FBA Member, KCBS Member & KCBS Certified BBQ Judge Spicewine medium, weber kettle, gas grill

06-03-2012, 11:10 AM	#8
Jorge somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 01-23-04 Location: DFW, San AntonioTx Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Risk/Reward. I know people that have taken some gambles, and been rewarded. I know some that have been punished. If you turn something in out of the norm, it better be cooked perfectly. As soon as that box is opened, and the judges see something different the cook just invited additional scrutiny whether they intended to or not. __________________ You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. --Frank Zappa BOOGITY, BOOGITY, BOOGITY!!! Recipient of a Huggies box! Shut up, and cook!!!!

06-03-2012, 12:22 PM	#9
bbqbrad On the road to being a farker Join Date: 04-20-08 Location: Royston, Ga Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	One time my flat was crap. Pure crap. But my burnt ends were great! Turned them in and got 12th! __________________ Brad Maffett Head Cook and Bottle Washer Hot For Teacher BBQ hotforteacherbbq.com Yellow Thermapen Owner

06-03-2012, 12:52 PM	#10
big brother smoke somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 05-03-06 Location: Ventura, CA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sometimes thinking inside the box is a good thing! __________________ Peace and Smoke, BBS https://www.bigpoppasmokers.com/stor...nufacturer=314 My Weapons: Custom rig - Kandi, UDS; Bubba Keg; 22.5 WSM x 2; 18.5 WSM; BWS extended party; BWS Gator and an Onyx Oven; 29' ft Coachmen Leprechaun (Lola); Avatar by Grillman. Dan Chambers get well soon, so we can tell you to "Shut up Chambers"

06-03-2012, 12:56 PM	#11
Jaskew82 is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-20-11 Location: Airmont, NY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys. I am sure part of my thinking is because the flats I cook don't come out half as good as the ones you do! If I was that good at cooking brisket, I am sure sliced flats would be outstanding too! __________________ Hillside BBQ 2013 Stumps Classic - Delivered 4/15/13 Large BGE - Rescued 2012 2010 WSM 22.5" 2010 Weber genesis gas grill Rescued 22.5 Weber One-touch gold Yellow Thermopen BBQ Guru CyberQ 2011 Built UDS - Retired