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Unread 05-29-2012, 12:14 PM   #1
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KCBS rule #10. Pork ribs: Ribs shall include the bone. Country style ribs are prohibited.............I have a friend who got a DQ for placing chunks of pulled rib meat in his turn in container. He had seven bones placed on a bed of parsley with the chunks around the edge. If a box is presented with legal garnish, no sculpted meat, no pooling of sauce, and enough samples for each judge, is it not a legal entry. I've judged chicken entries with thighs placed on a bed of pulled chicken and brisket entries with shredded meat under the slices, and never considered a DQ; nor have any judges at my tables. What am I missing here?
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Personally, I think it is common sense that the meat is expected to be attached to the bone.
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KCBS rule #10. Pork ribs: Ribs shall include the bone. Country style ribs are prohibited.............I have a friend who got a DQ for placing chunks of pulled rib meat in his turn in container. He had seven bones placed on a bed of parsley with the chunks around the edge. If a box is presented with legal garnish, no sculpted meat, no pooling of sauce, and enough samples for each judge, is it not a legal entry. I've judged chicken entries with thighs placed on a bed of pulled chicken and brisket entries with shredded meat under the slices, and never considered a DQ; nor have any judges at my tables. What am I missing here?
Even if it was ruled legal your friend would have ended up in about the same place - the bottom of the standings for ribs.
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Just for clarity: the "bones" all had meat attached to them. It was your typical turn in with chunks around the edge.
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Rule says all meat in the box must be attached to the rib bones. Stops people from adding chunks of non rib meat.

Check rule 16
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It says, "ribs shall include the bone". Clearly there was some meat in the box that had no bone. Sounds like a DQ to me.
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"Pulled rib meat"

Really?

Yea that would be a DQ in my book too.
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"Ribs shall be turned in bone-in."
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As Table Captain, When opening that box, I would immediately call the rep over. For the catogory, it would be tantamount to sculpted (or something like that)
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I would be incredibly disappointed if this didn't get a DQ. Clearly a rule violation.
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Just for clarity: the "bones" all had meat attached to them. It was your typical turn in with chunks around the edge.
While all the bones had meat on them, the rule says that all the meat must have bones IN it. DQ.
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A Rep advisory went out on this a couple years back when this first appeared. For a while it was even explicitly mentioned at cook's meetings. Neither chicken or brisket mention bones in their specification.

Bottom line is what he did was a DQ. Live and learn...
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Consensus is... DQ, Tough lesson on interpretation of the rules. He had a 3rd in chicken and a 3rd in pork. Rule 16 says bone-in, I felt like he met that requirement with the seven bones. I see the err in my thinking. Mental note to self; Learn from others mistakes.
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And if there is any shadow of doubt, ask the rep. They've seen everything, more or less, and are always glad to guide.
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Your friend is not the first to learn the hard way this year. A rep told me he had to DQ one like that earlier this year.
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