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Unread 04-24-2012, 10:21 PM   #31
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The portion that I thought was orchestrated was Mike Lake abstaining which leaves the President to cast the deciding vote.
I will add to what Steph said and that is the vote doesn't matter at all. Of course I could tell you why but then the President would be mad, she is trying to shut us all up.
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OMG! The president is trying to be the (bum, bump, BUM) Dicktator of KCBS...

Give me a break. I just do it for the money, everybody knows that... Just like everyone knows that certain board members are mind-readers and that everything is an orchestrated plot.

Geesh!!! Go cook something else, maybe it'll be edible.

This is my opinion, only my opinion, and my REAL opinion is that people who really want to run things deserve to. 9 more meetings...
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Unread 04-25-2012, 09:24 AM   #33
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Candy can you answer my question about the Non-disclosure? It's an easy way to stop the rumors.

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As long as you brought up the Non-disclosure agreements here I have a question. Are these specifically about the Executive Session recordings or will this limit what board members can speak about in other areas?
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I have been re-reading this and other posts and have a simple question.

Why do the Current Board member not have a right to ALL documents and information pertaining to the operation of the organization?

The reasoning for this question is, when I was on the PNWBA board, we had similar issues with hidden records and agenda by past and current board members and we sought a legal opinion on the subject. It was stated that withholding this information is illegal and the party or parties could be sued and the D&O insurance would not cover the cost of the suit if the party was withholding the information. Is MO or KS law any different? Has no one asked the question of the legal group? Was this question asked and that is why Mike Lake abstained because of the answer?

I have also heard that the disclosure being offered prevents any board member, past or present, from discussing any aspects of the BOD or organization whether the actions took place in open session or closed session. I hope this is not true!!
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Unread 04-25-2012, 10:05 AM   #36
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Be glad to, Ray. The non-disclosure agreement will be signed by directors and staff of KCBS. In my opinion, it should cover all discussions on all topics held in closed sessions present and past, live or recorded. It will cover matters that are "proprietary" to KCBS that only the staff know that shouldn't be in open discussion with anyone who doesn't need to know. . It's an extension of fiduciary responsibility. When someone is elected as a KCBS director, they have a duty to KCBS. Many times situations arise where personal motives, desires, ambitions and relationships conflict with that first duty to KCBS. A nondisclosure agreement is a physical reminder of personal responsibility to KCBS.
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Unread 04-25-2012, 10:25 AM   #37
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I'll add something else...

My attorney has reviewed the NDA and given me his opinion. Candy was aware of this, and open to hearing any concerns raised. I'll pass those on to her shortly. In previous discussions, she has made it clear that she was open to input and welcomed it. I also believe that had she chosen to push for a vote, the votes were probably there to pass it. Instead it's been tabled for study, and input.

I've got no idea what the finished product may look like, but there is an opportunity for input and discussion. Speaking solely for myself, I intend to offer what I can to help us move forward. If the finished product is something that I can't support, then so be it. We are a long way from that point right now.

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I've been staying out of this but I think you have asked some good questions and have a right to some answers. Since this topic was discussed in open session I believe I have a right to comment. My answers are in Red

I have been re-reading this and other posts and have a simple question.

Why do the Current Board member not have a right to ALL documents and information pertaining to the operation of the organization? We do have a right we just don't have access

The reasoning for this question is, when I was on the PNWBA board, we had similar issues with hidden records and agenda by past and current board members and we sought a legal opinion on the subject. It was stated that withholding this information is illegal and the party or parties could be sued and the D&O insurance would not cover the cost of the suit if the party was withholding the information. Is MO or KS law any different? No Missouri Law is no different. Has no one asked the question of the legal group? Yes the question was asked twice and answered twice which is why I can tell you Missouri law is no different. Was this question asked and that is why Mike Lake abstained because of the answer? I cannot speak for Mike Lake. Only he can answer your question.

I have also heard that the disclosure being offered prevents any board member, past or present, from discussing any aspects of the BOD or organization whether the actions took place in open session or closed session. I hope this is not true!! It's a confidentiality agreement and it pertains to all confidential information. At the present time the definition of confidential information is very broad. I don't believe former board members can be held to any agreement they did not sign. However this does not mean they are free to distribute confidential information. By accepting a term on the BOD they did agree to the Code of conduct.
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By accepting a term on the BOD they did agree to the Code of conduct.

Does this mean that the current board is bound by a code of conduct which makes a confidentiality agreement moot? What would the reasoning be therefore, to block this access?

You know the BS really should stop and the entire BOD work as a team and quit playing silly little games and micromanaging the day to day operations. It has gotten too big for that.
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By accepting a term on the BOD they did agree to the Code of conduct.

Does this mean that the current board is bound by a code of conduct which makes a confidentiality agreement moot? What would the reasoning be therefore, to block this access?

You know the BS really should stop and the entire BOD work as a team and quit playing silly little games and micromanaging the day to day operations. It has gotten too big for that.
This board is not bound by a code of conduct. That's the problem and the nondisclosure agreement encompases a code of conduct. I think that when you're on the outside looking at the board, it may seem to be "silly little games." I believe that this board has the potential to be a great team moving KCBS further down the field. Mack, you should run next year on the "no silly little games" platform.

Blah, Blah, Blah -- my opinion only!
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Be glad to, Ray. The non-disclosure agreement will be signed by directors and staff of KCBS. In my opinion, it should cover all discussions on all topics held in closed sessions present and past, live or recorded. It will cover matters that are "proprietary" to KCBS that only the staff know that shouldn't be in open discussion with anyone who doesn't need to know. . It's an extension of fiduciary responsibility. When someone is elected as a KCBS director, they have a duty to KCBS. Many times situations arise where personal motives, desires, ambitions and relationships conflict with that first duty to KCBS. A nondisclosure agreement is a physical reminder of personal responsibility to KCBS.
Thanks for answering. I do understand the need for NDAs and I sign them all the time.

But the real question was does this one go BEYOND the proprietery info. If I can interpret all of your answers I'd say that is still in discussion. I think limiting discussion of the open meeting with members is ridiculous.

This has a big feeling of Deja Vu for me. I can't help but feel this comes from somewhere besides Candy and I'm not talking about the lawyer.
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Yeah let's just ignore it and let the board do whatever they want. That's what good members do.
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So inorder to be a good member I must pay my $35, get political, ride my high horse and bitch on a daily basis?
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