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Old 03-03-2012, 02:04 PM   #31
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I agree about having comment cards and more importantly they should be mandatory. The International Chili Society can do it, so why can't KCBS. When I judged some (too many) were more concerned about filling their cooler. JMO
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:24 AM   #32
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Yeah it's really easy to say that the best way to fix all judging issues would be to ban coolers and enforce the usage of comment cards, but the problem with that is you'd alienate a big chunk of dues-paying CBJs. That wouldn't do anybody any good. There is a happy medium between the two extremes...we've just got to find it. I'm optimistic that the four new BoD members can make strides in getting there, especially Dave as the Judges Advocate.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:49 PM   #33
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I think that comment cards are good, though I don't have an opinion on their forced usage. Similarly, I don't have an opinion on banning coolers.

Still, whatever policy is made regarding those, I honestly would not be concerned with alienating any "dues-paying CBJs" with them, especially if it will raise or solidify the integrity of the sport. I pay hundreds of dollars per contest and thousands of dollars per year to compete. If I hurt the feelings of some one who pays $25 a year to eat free BBQ once a month and doesn't take it seriously enough to follow the rules as laid out, I think it's a win/win situation.

I'm sure KCBS will care a lot more than I do, potentially even to the detriment of the sport, since those CBJ dues are income. Again, I'm not saying either of those policies should be put into place, but if it's what's best, I say do it regardless of the few CBJs who will choose to quit rather than justify their low scores or consider the experience only a way to take free food home.

That's just me though...

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Old 03-04-2012, 03:54 PM   #34
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I've only had one comment card and wished I've gotten more!.. I hope this doesn't end..
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Old 03-04-2012, 06:05 PM   #35
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Mandatory cards would be non-productive. A casual judge would put down some such nonsense and go on eating and filling his cooler while the dedicated judge would at least think about his comments. without some guidance from the reps and table captains, the use of these are next to useless while useless can be better.

Guidance and buy in by the BOD and the reps is mandatory for them to work. The best that I have been able to garner from listening to BOD meetings and reading posts etc., there are some BOD members, past and present, who do not want them nor do they encourage them. Until there is buy in by those who adminster the rules and train the judges, the use of comment card is counter productive and downright useless.

As far as tying them in to the scoring system and marrying them to the correct sheet, it should be a no-brainer unless you don't want it to happen. JMHO.
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:38 AM   #36
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Here are my thoughts on comment cards.

When I first started competing, I wanted them.... I was in hopes to get some great comment on how to improve on what I was already doing.

Well, much to my dismay, they did NOT help. At one time, I got several, and the comments were from all spectrums, and now they are just a waste of time, in my opinion. I got cards for the same meat turn in from great taste, to too bland, great tenderness to too tough. You get the picture. It is subjective to each judge and his/her taste.

So, for what it is worth, unless it is something really BAD, and more than one judge agrees on it, they should NOT be used.
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:49 AM   #37
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I have gotten about 4 comment cards in the past, 2 of which were both flavor issues judges did not like sauce or thought sauce too over powering or chicken had no flavor. Funny part to me was that I got top five in the meat I got these cards on. So clearly other judges did not feel the same. The other two I knew I had a problem before I submitted the boxes. I don't pay attention to them anymore.
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Old 03-24-2012, 11:26 AM   #38
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and if it is a programming problem, why not have the program track the original number, someone input the comment card info into the program (under the blind number), as the program will reference the original number, and when the score sheets are printed out, you have the comment card info printed on your score sheets..... the "blind" number will be "hidden" in the programming...
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