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Old 01-22-2012, 03:21 PM   #1
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I am really looking into doing competition bbq, being that I have a passion for cooking, especially BBQ. I currently cook on a UDS and a cookshack smokette, but want to get a competition style cooker. I have tossed around quite a few brands and I'm looking for experienced feedback. Trying to narrow it done between Backwoods, Meadow Creek, Stumps, Fast Eddy, Memphis, Yoder, Lang, and Peoria. Can anyone help guide me?
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Old 01-22-2012, 03:45 PM   #2
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A UDS is a competition cooker. Take a walk around any contest and you'll see plenty of drums in use. Actually, other than the feedback you receive here from others I'd recommend doing just that...go to a few contests and chat up the teams on a Friday night. Most, if not all, folks will be more than happy to show off their rigs and answer questions if they're not busy at the time.
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^^ That! Another thing to consider is how you want to transport your equipment to a contest -- that may have some influence on the style of smoker you choose.

We know a very successful competition cook who used to load two WSMs inside two UDSs, and put them both on a hitch carrier.
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Old 01-22-2012, 04:06 PM   #4
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I am really looking into doing competition bbq, being that I have a passion for cooking, especially BBQ. I currently cook on a UDS and a cookshack smokette, but want to get a competition style cooker. I have tossed around quite a few brands and I'm looking for experienced feedback. Trying to narrow it done between Backwoods, Meadow Creek, Stumps, Fast Eddy, Memphis, Yoder, Lang, and Peoria. Can anyone help guide me?
You've listed a wide variety of cookers from insulated verticals (Backwoods and Stumps), offsets (Meadow Creek, Lang, Peoria and Yoder) to pellet cookers (Fast Eddie, Memphis and Yoder). The first thing you should do is narrow it down to a type of cooker. Then you can start looking at the options within that cooker type.

Also, as pointed out already, the UDS is fine at competitions. You may want a second UDS or a Weber Kettle to go along with it. It's all about timing.

If you're not in a hurry, come to a couple of local competitions and talk to the cooks about their pits. The next chance to do this is on Feb. 12 in Des Plaines at the Winter Burn Off...

http://www.kresmokers.com/index.html

After that you'll have to wait until Memorial Day weekend in Westmont (unless you want to drive a few hours).

http://www.westmontbbq.com/
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:00 PM   #5
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Ron brings up a good point. Maybe I should refocus this question because it is quite vague now that I look back. From personal experience, what type of cooker is best to work with when competing in all categories: an insulated vertical, an offset, or a pellet. I read some many threads of people buying and upgrading and trading and what not. I don't have the finances to continue to upgrade, I trying to get an all encompassing smoker on the first try if possible. Then I think I could readdress what specific smoker from that point.
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:27 PM   #6
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Budget? Wieght restriction .size restriction . Insulated cookers are great tools.Costly bulky heavy. WSMs are terrific cookers easy to store haul and use . Offsets appear to me not having had one that unless you have a high quality($$$$$) one, rain cold etc will give you fits. I build my own Stumps clones but they are heavy and bulky ,but weather is never an issue for the cooker. ISince your in Il you may want to go see the folks at Peoria,they build some nice stuff. Spice wine in Iowa would be a nice daytrip.
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Ron brings up a good point. Maybe I should refocus this question because it is quite vague now that I look back. From personal experience, what type of cooker is best to work with when competing in all categories: an insulated vertical, an offset, or a pellet. I read some many threads of people buying and upgrading and trading and what not. I don't have the finances to continue to upgrade, I trying to get an all encompassing smoker on the first try if possible. Then I think I could readdress what specific smoker from that point.
your revised question will still not help you... the answer to what you asked is they are all good.. none of them are perfect as they all have some degree of strengths/weaknesses

Some upgrade, trade, sell etc. just because they want something different not because they need something different.. some just like to be proficient on different types of pits etc.

you need to do some more homework and answer questions such as

1) Budget
2) Transportation (ex. weight/size restrictions)
3) Weather conditions you'll primarily cook in
4) Desire to sleep or not tend pit vs. actively manage a fire
5) Space (how much meat will you cook - will it be used for other purposes besides contests)
6) Aesthetics - how important is the look for you ?


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AFAIK, Spicewine is in Columbia, MO, not IA. Close enough to pick up if you bought one. PCC makes insulated stick burners, but they aren't cheap last time I checked. Insulated vertical and pellet pooper are not mutually exclussive: Say hello to Fast Eddie. In general, I would say that stick burners require the most attention, with pellets the least. Gravity fed (Stump's, Superior, etc) and basket based (UDS, WSM, BWS, SW, etc) charcoal cookers some where in between. There are many different variables to competition cooking: What flavour profile do you want? Do you plan to cook hot and fast or low and slow? What is your cooking schedule going to be, as in will you want more than one cooker? Combine all this with your budgeting question and you might get a good start. You can also go to a competition and talk to as many teams as you can....

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Ron brings up a good point. Maybe I should refocus this question because it is quite vague now that I look back. From personal experience, what type of cooker is best to work with when competing in all categories: an insulated vertical, an offset, or a pellet. I read some many threads of people buying and upgrading and trading and what not. I don't have the finances to continue to upgrade, I trying to get an all encompassing smoker on the first try if possible. Then I think I could readdress what specific smoker from that point.
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From personal experience, what type of cooker is best to work with when competing in all categories: an insulated vertical, an offset, or a pellet.
That really depends on you. All work well and all have won. The biggest differences are the amount of smoke flavor and the time required for fire management. Offsets will give you the strongest smoke, but also require more fire management, and this varies based on the specific offset. Some folks with the insulated Peoria offsets and Gurus or Stokers can go a few hours without refueling. Insulated verticals like the Spicewines, Backwoods and Stumps (and others) can easily go over night without any maintenance and the amount of smoke can be controlled by the amount of flavor wood used. Pellet cookers are basically maintenance free as long as you have power but provide the lightest smoke.

In terms of cooking all categories in one smoker, that can be done with any of them. The offset is probably the most versatile in that regard because you have different temp zones available all at the same time. The verticals, including the FEC-100 pellet cooker, are typically pretty close to the same temp throughout the cook chamber, so if you want to cook the big meats low, the ribs at a medium temp and the chicken at a higher temp you have to work out your timing so that you can adjust the pit temps as meats come off and go in.
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An added note .I like being able to cook all my comp meats in one cooker but I am seriously considering cooking one of my comp meats on a second cooker to get a different temp . Just something else to consider.
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OOPS As DMP Spicewine is in Columbia ,Mo . Still a nice daytrip.
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I would stick to what you are use to. Last year I used three UDS's (13 contests), this year I'll be using the same three UDS's - one each for ribs, pork, & brisket and adding a Weber Gold 22.5" for chicken. If you feel the need to invest money, just build a couple more UDS's.

Beside, if you change your smoker, you are going to have to learn how to smoke on it.
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You should buy whatever you think you'll be able to cook YOUR best BBQ with. Or as previously mentioned, make a few more UDS. That way you won't have a lot of big $$ invested in a cooker while you see if you enjoy the competition bbq process.
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Ron brings up a good point. Maybe I should refocus this question because it is quite vague now that I look back. From personal experience, what type of cooker is best to work with when competing in all categories: an insulated vertical, an offset, or a pellet. I read some many threads of people buying and upgrading and trading and what not. I don't have the finances to continue to upgrade, I trying to get an all encompassing smoker on the first try if possible. Then I think I could readdress what specific smoker from that point.


ahhhh yes the all encompassing question....1000 different answers, a 1000 different opinions all of which are 100% right
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Have to agree with the latest posts, stick with what you know for the first year...you may decide comps are not for you (although unlikely, they are addictive)! Check out the PitmasterIQ for temp control on your UDS, low cost and work well. I have two for my WSMs.
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