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Unread 12-07-2011, 04:55 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Swamp Boys Q School in FLA

Man there's a lot of classes out there right now! Here is a link to mine on Feb. 10-11: http://www.swampboys.com/wordpress/?p=530 I am a very active one man team cooking 25+ contests each year for the past 5 years, and placing 2nd, TOTY, TOTY, 4th, and 3rd in the FBA Team of the Year race for those 5 years. This is not a mega-class, it will be kept small so there can be lots of one on one interaction. I have over 23 years of teaching experience, 8 years of competition BBQ experience, 31 GC's and 24 RGC's. I've had people come in from Canada and almost 20 states to take it.

This is a techniques class and has produced and continues to produce lots of first time GCs, RGCs, category winners, etc. Read more about it at the link above.

This class is outside and lakefront; it should be a beautiful setting Come to Winter Haven in February and let's talk barbecue.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 10:50 AM   #2
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I took Rubs class in October in Baltimore. I flew in from Kansas City on a Friday morning. I was unaware that the class would be held outside in the alley of a tavern next to the dumpster. I should have asked more questions. We got word Friday afternoon that it was going to snow 4 inches on Saturday, and it did. It was 32 degrees, and snowing heavily during the entire class. We were under two tents, huddled around a portable table freezing our a**es off. (A heater would have been nice, at least for the wives ) An indoor backup plan would have been well thought out and well appreciated.
When he says "one man show", its all that. I felt that he was greatly un-organized. And as far as "techniques", why not just turn on youtube? If you really want to learn winning bbq secrets and tricks of competing, take Rod Greys class or Johnny Triggs. They really tell it all, sauces, rubs, everything. You will walk away with your moneys worth. Im looking forward to Butchers class in January, he also tells all.
P.S. I would check the weather forecast for Winter haven, the weather is unpredictable in January and February.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 01:49 PM   #3
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Wow, really?

First off you and your buddy stiffed me $100 on the class fee. You still owe me. I have never been cheated out of money in all of my dealings with BBQ people, hell – any people for that matter - so that tells me something right there.

The class was advertized as being outside, and it was stated again in my email to everyone who signed up. I can’t help that you showed up in shorts and a windbreaker and came unprepared. It did not snow the entire class. Friday was beautiful. Saturday it snowed. Yes it was cold, what a great teachable moment. We don’t always get to compete in ideal situations, we have to adapt and overcome. I figured if I, being born and raised in Florida, was doing fine in the cold that you northern guys were too. None of the women said anything to me about being uncomfortable. I am sorry that you were cold, but take responsibility for yourself and dress appropriately like the other 22 people were.

I was not unorganized. I flew in and I borrowed 95% of everything I used. Granted it was not at my fingertips as it is in my own trailer, but it was not unorganized.

My class has NEVER been advertized as a “tell all” or “recipes” class. I typically don’t give any of my recipes but since I was in another state where I don’t compete I decided to give the details and every step of my 1st place pork at The Jack, from injection to rub to sauce to presentation. That’s not on YouTube. Neither are the other half dozen to a dozen other unique things on top of everything else I’ve already mentioned to you. My class is a class to teach the winning techniques and methods that I use to put myself in the best position to win contests. And they work. A few of them may be common to those who compete regularly, so what? I bet there are more techniques in common among winning teams than not. It doesn’t make them basic or ineffective. It proves that they work. If you paid attention there was plenty in this class that you had never heard nor seen before for you to earn your money back within a contest or two.

As far as Rod’s, Trigg’s, or David’s classes go, I bet they are great. I know I would really enjoy taking any of them. There is always plenty to learn from people who are winners. But once you learn it, it's up to you to practice and use it and make it your own. Spend some time doing that.

I have taught over 115 people my Techniques class in the past year and a half, and you and your buddy are the only 2 unsatisfied students. That’s over a 98% satisfaction rating and I’ll take it, especially considering the source of the complaint.

You have my address, when are you going to pay the money you owe me?
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Unread 12-08-2011, 02:11 PM   #4
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I took Rub’s class last February and drove almost 8 hours one way, spent two nights in a hotel and I think it was $$ well spent. This past season was my rookie year and out of 4 contests I had 8 calls (two were 1st place) and one RGC. I was really close to getting several other calls as well, two 11th & one 12th. I’m not trying to brag, but I think a lot of that had to do with the tips and techniques I picked up in his class. I also had several follow up questions about some of my class notes and he was always quick to respond and answer questions even after the class. Good class brother!
Side Note - As a competitor, I wish he would teach all of his classes outside the Southeast…lol That might cut down on the competition level around here a bit.
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man you know whats funny about that missing 100. rub never even brought it up until 4 days later, for all i know he spent it on the girls. he got that and he knows it. we asked for a refund he sayed take the class over. (thats wasn't going to happen) i think most off all i was greatly disappointed in the whole thing because of the quality of the class that was put on. we deserved better and there are a lot to choose from out there. so choose them wisely. hell you pay 500.00 you should get it all. for the most part there out there and those guys have been the real deal for a long time.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 03:59 PM   #6
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Rub:

I felt bad about the weather. I checked the weather history for October 29th. Our average temp is 63 degrees. We never planned on bad weather. Rain was all we figured not snow and wind. The week after you left it was in the 60's.

As far as being a alley I said up front I had a parking lot for our use. Here is a picture of the lot.


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Unread 12-08-2011, 04:38 PM   #7
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Just thought I would share my experience with Rub,
Rub has been nothing but great to me. I was unable to take his class do to being transferred at the last moment. I dropped it on him very last moment he vowed to help me and understood. He stayed in contact with me and kept me well informed as to upcoming classes. I am more than excited to be taking his class in February. I lived right there near Maryland and was told it was a great class. Rub, thanks again for everything and see you in February....
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Unread 12-08-2011, 05:46 PM   #8
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I took rubs class and I've got to say it was GREAT! We went from finishing middle of the pack to pretty consistently finishing in the top 10 with several top 5's. Rub's techniques work plain and simple. It was a great class and rub is a great guy. I've suggested this class to several (especially new teams).
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Looks like shorts weather to me.

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Its just not worth it.
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if you guys want to take a grade a class take rubs. to start off with rub is a stand up guy, and for that guy sat that he spent the 100 on some girls is a joke. anyone that knows him knows what kind of person he is. as far as the class i dont know what he teaches, but his students kick our butts week in and week out. a team that we have never heard of will get a 1 st in a catagory with a top five. then we figure out they are a swampboys protagy. i been competing against rub for two years now, and im tired of getting my butt kicked. im signing for the winter haven class as long as i can work it out in my budget. oh and on post 14 http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=110518
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Unread 12-08-2011, 09:07 PM   #12
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There’s nothing funny about the $100 you stiffed me on. That makes you a crook. I sleep every night with a clear conscience knowing that I am honest; I give everything I say I will and then some. You on the other hand are a thief. When you guys gave me the folded bills it never crossed my mind to not trust you and count it. I folded it up and put it in my bag, and didn’t unpack for a couple of days. A word of warning to the other guys teaching classes – get and count the money up front from Big O’s.
You asked for a refund – I don’t do refunds. You signed up for the class, left early Friday, came back well over an hour late Saturday morning after apparently a wild Friday night, and left early Saturday. I held up my end of the deal. What you choose to take from it or use is up to you. I offered you both a free second class down here where it’s warm and you will be more comfortable. Take it or leave it.
You’re right; there are a lot of classes to choose from. I am humbled when people pick my class to spend their hard earned money on so I bust my butt to give them their money’s worth.
Kyle, Bob, Steve, Steve, and Roger - thanks for the good words of support, I appreciate you guys. Reputation, results, and word of mouth is what counts with classes. I want to keep my good standing.

And Steve/Porkerface, you're being modest. You didn't mention the RGC you just took a couple of weeks ago.
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We were lucky enough to take Rub's first class he taught and are very happy with everything we took from it. He is a great guy with a wealth of knowledge to share. It is pretty interesting the Big O's had nothing good to say about the class but got his ass handed to him by Swamp Boys at the Plant City Pig Jam a few weeks ago. Guess he probably could have learned a thing or two!

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2. Fatt Ashes BBQ - 661.1426
3. 4 Smokin' Butts - 652.5710
4. Swamp Boys - 649.7144
5. Florida Skin and Bones - 648.5714
6. Naked Bones - 646.8570
7. Whiskey Bent BBQ - 645.7144
8. Boca BBQ - 645.1426
9. Great Lakes BBQ & Feed C - 642.2856
10. Florida Boys - 640.5714
11. Government Pork - 639.9996
12. Rock River BBQ - 639.9996
13. BubbaChucks BBQ - 639.4286
14. Team Holy Hog - 638.8568
15. Uncle Kenny's BBQ - 634.8564
16. Smokin' Triggers - 633.1424
17. Big Os BBQ - 631.9994
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19. Sho Gud Bbq - 630.8566
20. Sweet Smoke BBQ - 627.9996
21. Unknown BBQ - 627.9996
22. Is it Ready Yet BBQ - 625.1428
23. Smokin' Hot BBQ Team - 624.5710
24. The Bigg Pigg Brood - 621.1428
25. Ebs Pit Stop BBQ - 621.1420
26. GB's BBQ - 618.2856
27. Habeas Porkus - 617.1426
28. Smoke on the Lakes - 617.1424
29. BGE Pit Crew - 612.5710
30. Two Crackers Cooking - 611.4284
31. Heavenly Hog BBQ - 610.2856
32. Poppell Insurance - 609.7138
33. Cowtown BBQ - 604.5714
34. Kick Yo' Butt - 604.5714
35. Masterque - 597.7140
36. All Racked Up BBQ - 590.8568
37. Some-R Swine - 586.8564
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39. Top Tier BBQ - 579.9996
40. Tarheel Cookers - 577.7136
41. Smoking Toques BBQ - 575.4290
42. Fork in the Road - 566.8570
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Unread 12-08-2011, 09:49 PM   #14
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I forgot to add that Rub allowed Video and Pictures to be taken at the class. It is nice to go back and review it again.
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My buddy and I took Rubs class in Shannon IL 2010. Could not have been happier with the class or Rub. He answered every question we had and showed us everything he does in a competition. My first contest after the class, I ended up pulling a GC and made well more than the cost of the class.
Actually would like to go to FL. and take his class again in a non competition setting.
Worth every cent.

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