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Kernscookin · 12-06-2011, 10:34 AM

1st year Lang 60 stickburner here. Thanks for all the information. Y'all are so much smarter than me. Several times my ribs have tasted smokey. Alot of good ideas here, thanks for the help.

speers90 · 12-06-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kernscookin

1st year Lang 60 stickburner here. Thanks for all the information. Y'all are so much smarter than me. Several times my ribs have tasted smokey. Alot of good ideas here, thanks for the help.

Just keep on trying new techniques! I know I completely ruined a chicken not to long ago because I was in a hurry and didn't get my fire going properly. I smoked that thing into oblivion, it was awful.

Looking back at it, my main problem was using splits that were to big. Now I use much smaller splits and end up with a smaller but much hotter fire, which in turn gives me the amount of heat that I need but without to much smoke.

42BBQ · 12-06-2011, 02:10 PM

Kerns,
What I've concluded is that proper wood fired/stickburning BBQ is an art form. When executed properly it is killer but the learning curve is steeper that most other styles. By no means have I "arrived" but I LOVE the challenge of it. Adds a whole new dimension to cooking.

Kernscookin · 12-06-2011, 02:50 PM

Believe me, I have over smoked several pieces of meat. Adding the layer of smaller expanded metal so that charcoal doesn't fall thru will help. Smaller splits will help too. You are right about it being an art form, I'm just not an Artist yet. But I promise to keep trying. I paid alot of money for that Lang 60 and I will get it worked out

nmayeux · 12-06-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernscookin

Believe me, I have over smoked several pieces of meat. Adding the layer of smaller expanded metal so that charcoal doesn't fall thru will help. Smaller splits will help too. You are right about it being an art form, I'm just not an Artist yet. But I promise to keep trying. I paid alot of money for that Lang 60 and I will get it worked out

If you have any questions regarding the Lang, let me know. I have been running mine now several years and have probably learned most of the tricks by now!

Jay 41 · 12-06-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by speers90

Almost any cooker could potentially be a "stick burner", it just means that the primary fuel source is wood splits. Although, most stick burners end up being offset cookers made out of pretty heavy steel.

Thankyou, guess mine is a home made stick burner then.

speers90 · 12-06-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay 41

Thankyou, guess mine is a home made stick burner then.

Yes, I would say that definately qualifies!!! Let's see some more pictures of that bad boy.

Jay 41 · 12-06-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by speers90

Yes, I would say that definately qualifies!!! Let's see some more pictures of that bad boy.

It holds temp. pretty steady.

Kernscookin · 12-06-2011, 05:49 PM

Noah,
I just went to your website. If you have had a Lang for years maybe you can help me. Alot of these pictures are of 36" smokers. Can you keep a Lang 60 at 250 degrees with a small charcoal fire and throwing a 2" diameter, 12" long stick of wood in every once in a while. Cause I've used my cooker probably 15 times since I've had it and I always have a bigger fire with more coals than they are showing in these pictures. If I'm planning an all day cook I build a pretty good fire, let it burn down then add wood occationally, but I don't know that it is ever as small as the ones I'm seeing on this thread. Comment? Also are you competing with your Lang 60. I am considering doing a couple of competitions for fun only a year.

JiveTurkey · 12-06-2011, 06:45 PM

For me I start with some wine barrel wood staves I got from a friend in Napa, some good beer, and small HOT fire!

It starts like this:

And burns like this:

I almost sold the pit last summer, man I'm glad I didn't I sure to do love it. My favorite thing to do is get a raging hot fire real close to the opening of the barrel and grill steaks from the inside (not the grate over the fire). That allows the same heat to hit the steaks but without the flare ups yet all of the same smokey good taste from being cooked over real wood like a Santa Maria pit.

BBQ Bandit · 12-06-2011, 07:16 PM

Kerns,

If you noticed my signature, have owned and cooked on 3 different Langs over the past 4 years. The short answer is yes, a charcoal basket will extend cooking times with charcoal used as the primary fuel. A full bag of charcoal would last about 3-4 hours in the Lang 48 and 60 I had.

Here's a few pics of it... http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...50&postcount=5

Kernscookin · 12-06-2011, 07:37 PM

Thanks Bandit. I have actually made myself a charcoal basket very similar to yours but have yet to use it. I work all week and then have family over to eat what I smoke. Haven't had a lot of time for experimentation. I've been afraid if the charcoal didn't work I would be behind on my smoke. But hearing from you I will have the confidence to use it. Thanks.

SirPorkaLot · 12-06-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BBQ Bandit

A full bag of charcoal would last about 3-4 hours in the Lang 48 and 60 I had.

Ouch!
I guess that is due to the size of the cook chamber? Or is it reverse flow (Aka fuel eater)

If a large bag of briquettes don't get me through a cook, I'd be bumming.

I guess if you are keeping her full of meat it would be worth it.

BBQ Bandit · 12-06-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SirPorkaLot

Ouch!
I guess that is due to the size of the cook chamber? Or is it reverse flow (Aka fuel eater)

If a large bag of briquettes don't get me through a cook, I'd be bumming.

I guess if you are keeping her full of meat it would be worth it.

Believe it is also based the mass of steel to heat plus being an offset... less efficient.

The small Lang 48 patio (4 ft chamber) weighs 800 lbs. empty.
The Lang 60 mobile was 1,200 lbs... and the 84 kitchen over 1,500 lbs.

The heating demands alone to heat up 1/4" steel seems alot ... considering the reverse flow baffle serves also as a radiating energy source.

Once up to temp... maintaining the heat is less demanding... hence the small and hot burning fires churning thin blue smoke

42BBQ · 12-06-2011, 08:55 PM

Cheaper for me to burn wood vs coals so I'm trying to master stickburning. Also using a cooker similar in size to a Lang 36 (Meadowcreek SQ36)

12-06-2011, 02:10 PM	#48
42BBQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-26-10 Location: Manheim, PA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Kerns, What I've concluded is that proper wood fired/stickburning BBQ is an art form. When executed properly it is killer but the learning curve is steeper that most other styles. By no means have I "arrived" but I LOVE the challenge of it. Adds a whole new dimension to cooking. __________________ Meadowcreek SQ36 with 2nd grate, 1991 Weber Performer w/ SS table, UDS, gasser.-Glenn-

12-06-2011, 06:45 PM	#55
JiveTurkey is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 09-21-09 Location: MambyPambyLand, Ca Ya Jackwagon Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	For me I start with some wine barrel wood staves I got from a friend in Napa, some good beer, and small HOT fire! It starts like this: And burns like this: I almost sold the pit last summer, man I'm glad I didn't I sure to do love it. My favorite thing to do is get a raging hot fire real close to the opening of the barrel and grill steaks from the inside (not the grate over the fire). That allows the same heat to hit the steaks but without the flare ups yet all of the same smokey good taste from being cooked over real wood like a Santa Maria pit. __________________ JT

12-06-2011, 07:16 PM	#56
BBQ Bandit Babbling Farker Join Date: 02-15-08 Location: Harrisburg, PA Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Kerns, If you noticed my signature, have owned and cooked on 3 different Langs over the past 4 years. The short answer is yes, a charcoal basket will extend cooking times with charcoal used as the primary fuel. A full bag of charcoal would last about 3-4 hours in the Lang 48 and 60 I had. Here's a few pics of it... http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...50&postcount=5 __________________ Bacon should be capitalized as a pronoun for pork! A BBQ Servant; cooking for the Troops, Churches, and Charity Operation BBQ Relief founding member Lang 84 Deluxe Kitchen known as "The Glamazon" Custom Klose Backyard Chef... of Snot, 22.5 WSM Former smokers; Lang 60 Mobile - The Damsel II, Lang 48 Patio - The Damsel, and Bubba Keg Grill - RIP

12-06-2011, 08:55 PM	#60
42BBQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-26-10 Location: Manheim, PA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Cheaper for me to burn wood vs coals so I'm trying to master stickburning. Also using a cooker similar in size to a Lang 36 (Meadowcreek SQ36) __________________ Meadowcreek SQ36 with 2nd grate, 1991 Weber Performer w/ SS table, UDS, gasser.-Glenn-

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12-06-2011, 10:34 AM	#46
Kernscookin Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 08-22-11 Location: Dawsonville, GA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	1st year Lang 60 stickburner here. Thanks for all the information. Y'all are so much smarter than me. Several times my ribs have tasted smokey. Alot of good ideas here, thanks for the help.

12-06-2011, 02:50 PM	#49
Kernscookin Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 08-22-11 Location: Dawsonville, GA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Believe me, I have over smoked several pieces of meat. Adding the layer of smaller expanded metal so that charcoal doesn't fall thru will help. Smaller splits will help too. You are right about it being an art form, I'm just not an Artist yet. But I promise to keep trying. I paid alot of money for that Lang 60 and I will get it worked out

12-06-2011, 05:49 PM	#54
Kernscookin Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 08-22-11 Location: Dawsonville, GA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Noah, I just went to your website. If you have had a Lang for years maybe you can help me. Alot of these pictures are of 36" smokers. Can you keep a Lang 60 at 250 degrees with a small charcoal fire and throwing a 2" diameter, 12" long stick of wood in every once in a while. Cause I've used my cooker probably 15 times since I've had it and I always have a bigger fire with more coals than they are showing in these pictures. If I'm planning an all day cook I build a pretty good fire, let it burn down then add wood occationally, but I don't know that it is ever as small as the ones I'm seeing on this thread. Comment? Also are you competing with your Lang 60. I am considering doing a couple of competitions for fun only a year.

12-06-2011, 07:37 PM	#57
Kernscookin Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 08-22-11 Location: Dawsonville, GA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks Bandit. I have actually made myself a charcoal basket very similar to yours but have yet to use it. I work all week and then have family over to eat what I smoke. Haven't had a lot of time for experimentation. I've been afraid if the charcoal didn't work I would be behind on my smoke. But hearing from you I will have the confidence to use it. Thanks.