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Unread 01-24-2012, 10:12 AM   #16
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Learned something new today... I had gotten frustrated with this build because after I had banded the door and got the hinges mounted the bottom of it was not closing up completely and I had wrestled with the thing to make adjustments and the OCD in me kept coming out and I had finally decided that I had somehow moved the hinges forward too much after tacking prior to welding them up and that it had somehow changed the arc radius... Well, I put it off for several days because I was trying to find another way other than cutting the backs of the hinges off and re-positioning them because, well, just because those dang hinges looked good and had some nice killer beads on em. So, I finally succumbed to my inclination that the only thing to do to fix it would be to cut the back half of the hinges off and reposition the door and then reweld the hinges. Once I got the hinges taken apart and removed the back half of them I realized that it WASN'T that the hinges were not positioned correctly but that the daggum arc radius of the door had changed literally, not like heat distortion but like it had evenly "sprung out" of the original arc radius a bit. I've never had this problem before and didn't really know how to fix it because I don't have a BIG slip roller or anything I can put it in to re-curve it so I called up my "expert" buddy...

He confirmed what I suspected about the curve relaxing out and gave me a few suggestions as to how to fix it. What I've come up with that I think will work is to put a smaller diameter pipe inside the door and put ratchet straps across the back of the door and over that pipe and put tension on it. Then I am going to weld the inside of the band and it should cause the arc to draw back in... In theory mind ya. We are going to see.

I should note that the door would have probably worked just fine protruding out at the bottom a little as the inside of the door was nearly touching the outside of the chamber so it was sealed off decent, however, it just looked funny to me and bothered me to the point I had to do something about it.

Never had a problem with a door springing out like that but according to my buddy, every now and then you have one that will. I guess I just got "lucky" huh? LOL.

Seeing that big ol support band on the inside of the tank when I cut it should have been a clue I guess as I'm certain they didn't just put that thing in there because they wanted too. Oh well, it has been a learning experience and I will definitely be more prepared on the next one.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 10:14 AM   #17
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If the above don't work, I guess I have two options:

1. just put it back together and get over it.

2. find someone with a HUGE slip roller and make em some ribs or something and see if they would mind rolling it for me.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 04:44 PM   #18
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It actually happens quite regular cuz these tanks are rolled and welded in back to back steps and the steel retains a bit if that tension. What I do is to just take a couple pipe clamps and use them to adjust the radius back to where it needs to be. Just take your time with it... do it a small amount at a time. A lot easier to bend it in than back out again! Trust me I know...

Good luck with it.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 06:20 PM   #19
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It actually happens quite regular cuz these tanks are rolled and welded in back to back steps and the steel retains a bit if that tension. What I do is to just take a couple pipe clamps and use them to adjust the radius back to where it needs to be. Just take your time with it... do it a small amount at a time. A lot easier to bend it in than back out again! Trust me I know...

Good luck with it.
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Do like Phrasty says and run some stringer beads, in the same direction as the clamps, and they will help draw the iron back into shape. Allow to cool almost completely before unclamping.

Another option is to cut some plate, ribs, to the same circumference as your tank and weld them to the inside.

Be careful when you weld the seal strips on because that will draw it back out. Some bars welded to the inside of the lid, corner to corner, will help stabilize it.

On your next build try to keep the iron as cool as possible. Use a garden hose if you want, especially if your cutting with a torch. If your cutting with a friction blade dont plunge the blade completely, just an inch sticking through will help keep things cool, use lots of water. Also on the next one leave a couple inches, in both directions, on all 4 corners of the lid, to cut last. Put your hinges on and a tab on the bottom of the lid (so the lid dont fall into the tank) then cut the remaining material on the corners. Be sure everything is cooled completely before cutting the corners loose.

Take it slow & easy and keep it cool.

The boys could use some hearing protection, the skin on their hands will grow back but their hearing wont.
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Unread 01-24-2012, 07:57 PM   #20
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Don't feel bad, it has happened on both of my builds. Glad to see you are getting back to work!
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Unread 01-24-2012, 10:47 PM   #21
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looking forward to this build. keep on chugging away and getting over those road bumps. i am sure it will be well worth it. in the mean time, us free loaders can learn from your misfortunes
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Unread 01-30-2012, 08:48 AM   #22
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I've almost got it drawn back in the way it needs to be by heating the inside of the radius with a rosebud while I have tension on it with some straps clamped tight to some smaller diameter pipe. Next step is to run a bead down the length of the arc on each side of the inside to finish drawing it in. It didn't spring out when I had originally cut or or when I put it back on but I guess from welding the seals up on the outside it allowed it to relax. After doing some research and talking to folks that "know" I found out that by applying the heat to the outside I encouraged it to relax and that I need to apply heat to the inside so it will draw back up. I guess I should have figured that out on my own considering common sense and experience has shown me that metal tends to "cup" to the side that heat is applied. The thing was fitting perfectly fine when we had it all done up originally on that friday afternoon but it relaxed out and didn't fit anymore monday morning. LOL.

Lesson learned and from now on I will DEFINITELY weld up the inside FIRST and only lightly weld the seal on the outside and ONLY while a couple of straps are on it for good measure.

Believe it or not, this is actually the first time I've ever experienced this and that is why it caught me off gaurd. I guess in the past I've always just gotten lucky or something cause it is definitely a first time experience.

I'm making some basket twists for the handles and hope to have the door finished (for the second time) and the handles installed so I can move on to firebox construction next. I'm getting anxious to finish this sucker every since I got the first rack made and installed. I want to send up a burnt offering... :)
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Blue, how is she coming?
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I am curious too about the build! Oh, and do not feel bad about setting yourself on fire. I set my shorts on fire cutting steel plate with the 7 incher on a table saw.
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Unread 02-06-2012, 09:29 AM   #25
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Here's a few updated fotos.

I got the door issue resolved! Found a new trick or two to add to my arsenal so this will be a "no problem" next time it occurs

I'm about to install the door handles and begin on firebox and stand for it. Trailer will be later as I'm too broke to be buying trailer parts right now. May just have to lug this big sucker around to cook on until I can afford to mobilize it!

Here's pics:

In pic below, this is a frontal view with door closed.

Door open. Duh... as if ya'll couldn't figure that out

Door open and the main rack (lower rack) installed.
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Working on handle designs now. This is what I've come up with so far.... It's a basket twist out of roundstock. Still may alter it a bit but I think this is something I can definitely work with and will be a way I can incorporate some of my metal artwork into this design so it not only will be a "cooker" but be nice to look at as well





I do metal art on the side if you all haven't figured that out yet Most of my work is either functional art, home decor, yard art, freehand plasma cut outs etc.... I am currently trying to learn blacksmithing as well so I can start to incorporate some forging into my stuff. Nothing fancy, just a good ol boy redneck trying to expo... Err... I mean EXPRESS myself.
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Unread 02-06-2012, 03:39 PM   #27
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What ya'll think about these handles???




Man, it sure is good to get my momentum on this thing back up! I am getting excited all over again!
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It's looking great! Nice job on those handles.
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I like 'em
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