Money muscle and smoke ring

mobow · 06-24-2011, 07:19 PM

As part of the master judge test it ask about the smoke ring on a money muscle. My questions is, is it possible to get a smoke ring all the way around the money muscle without seperating it from the butt? Thanx for your help and yes we are allowed to find answers anyway we can, keith

HBMTN · 06-24-2011, 07:48 PM

I have never tried but I bet I could do it by trimming the muscle away from the butt all except a 1/4 inch or so. Let it hang mostly seperated from the butt but still attached. Smoke should penetrate all around it leaving a complete Lord of - I mean Smoke Ring LOL

lazyjacres · 06-24-2011, 07:54 PM

Even leaving 1/2" to 3/4" will get the same results....

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Originally Posted by HBMTN

I have never tried but I bet I could do it by trimming the muscle away from the butt all except a 1/4 inch or so. Let it hang mostly seperated from the butt but still attached. Smoke should penetrate all around it leaving a complete Lord of - I mean Smoke Ring LOL

mobow · 06-24-2011, 08:29 PM

Thank you. Keith

Rookie'48 · 06-24-2011, 10:57 PM

That's one of the crazy questions on the test because we're supposedly not paying attention to the smoke ring. Go figure!

bmanMA · 06-25-2011, 06:19 AM

That is interesting. I wonder if the question is meant to try and identify a team that has potentially hacked off the MM and then returned the roast to the smoker? If so, it clearly fails in several ways. Hmmm... yeah, it is strange.

HBMTN · 06-25-2011, 06:47 AM

I think the question on the test is to help keep a judge from DQ'ing a team if the smoke ring is all the way around the money muscle and the judge thinking it was cooked seperate from the whole butt.

bmanMA · 06-25-2011, 06:58 AM

OK... i hear that. That makes more sense. Trick question - that's a good question if that's the intention.

ClayHill · 06-25-2011, 07:00 AM

While taking a judging class (KCBS) I asked a similar question in regards to a smoke ring around the money muscle. It was apparent that the instructors were annoyed with my question and told us that this was not a judging issue, but a cook issue (policing each other)

Judges cant DQ a team on the premise of a smoke ring around a certain piece of meat. Unless a team is caught in the act, once it goes in the box, it’s going to get judged on the "judging criteria" and not cook rules

Neal · 06-25-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ClayHill

While taking a judging class (KCBS) I asked a similar question in regards to a smoke ring around the money muscle. It was apparent that the instructors were annoyed with my question and told us that this was not a judging issue, but a cook issue (policing each other)

Judges cant DQ a team on the premise of a smoke ring around a certain piece of meat. Unless a team is caught in the act, once it goes in the box, it’s going to get judged on the "judging criteria" and not cook rules

Your instructors were right. It is a judge's job to judge the food presented to them. It is not their job to search for reasons to DQ an entry. Too many judges have their priorities wrong in this regard.

PimpSmoke · 06-25-2011, 08:11 AM

You can leave it attached pretty well and still get smoke ring around. It all depends on temp of meat going in and moisture in the cooker.

TQ works on pork too, I think?

Rub · 06-25-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal

Your instructors were right. It is a judge's job to judge the food presented to them. It is not their job to search for reasons to DQ an entry. Too many judges have their priorities wrong in this regard.

I wish judges would stop and remember this before each contest. Sometimes I think they feel the need to search out the negative as opposed to reward the positive. Enjoy the experience!

Sawdustguy · 06-25-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rub

I wish judges would stop and remember this before each contest. Sometimes I think they feel the need to search out the negative as opposed to reward the positive. Enjoy the experience!

I agree with that. I remember when my team was wrongly DQ'ed. Unfortunately the Reps were not on the ball.

CTSmokehouse · 06-25-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sawdustguy

I agree with that. I remember when my team was wrongly DQ'ed. Unfortunately the Reps were not on the ball.

We all remember that...! I was judging at another table at Grill Kings...

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

06-24-2011, 07:19 PM	#1
mobow is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 12-11-09 Location: Marshall MO Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Money muscle and smoke ring As part of the master judge test it ask about the smoke ring on a money muscle. My questions is, is it possible to get a smoke ring all the way around the money muscle without seperating it from the butt? Thanx for your help and yes we are allowed to find answers anyway we can, keith __________________ WSM 22.5, MCBJ, In The Key Of Que

06-24-2011, 08:29 PM	#4
mobow is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 12-11-09 Location: Marshall MO Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thank you. Keith __________________ WSM 22.5, MCBJ, In The Key Of Que Last edited by mobow; 06-24-2011 at 08:30 PM.. Reason: Spelling error

06-24-2011, 10:57 PM	#5
Rookie'48 Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 11-12-06 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That's one of the crazy questions on the test because we're supposedly not paying attention to the smoke ring. Go figure! __________________ Dave Compton KCBS MasterCBJ # 22569 KCBS BoD Judges' Advocate Possibly the only judge ever to get an award from a bunch of cooks UDS 075 UCB WSM and a bunch of other stuff. The above post is only my opinion - mine & mine alone.

06-25-2011, 06:19 AM	#6
bmanMA is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 03-02-10 Location: Lunenburg, MA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That is interesting. I wonder if the question is meant to try and identify a team that has potentially hacked off the MM and then returned the roast to the smoker? If so, it clearly fails in several ways. Hmmm... yeah, it is strange. __________________ Pork Butt and Chicken Legs

06-25-2011, 06:58 AM	#8
bmanMA is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 03-02-10 Location: Lunenburg, MA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	OK... i hear that. That makes more sense. Trick question - that's a good question if that's the intention. __________________ Pork Butt and Chicken Legs

06-24-2011, 07:48 PM	#2
HBMTN is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 10-16-08 Location: Fairfield, Virginia Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have never tried but I bet I could do it by trimming the muscle away from the butt all except a 1/4 inch or so. Let it hang mostly seperated from the butt but still attached. Smoke should penetrate all around it leaving a complete Lord of - I mean Smoke Ring LOL

06-25-2011, 06:47 AM	#7
HBMTN is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 10-16-08 Location: Fairfield, Virginia Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think the question on the test is to help keep a judge from DQ'ing a team if the smoke ring is all the way around the money muscle and the judge thinking it was cooked seperate from the whole butt.

06-25-2011, 07:00 AM	#9
ClayHill Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 10-31-09 Location: Greencastle, PA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	While taking a judging class (KCBS) I asked a similar question in regards to a smoke ring around the money muscle. It was apparent that the instructors were annoyed with my question and told us that this was not a judging issue, but a cook issue (policing each other) Judges cant DQ a team on the premise of a smoke ring around a certain piece of meat. Unless a team is caught in the act, once it goes in the box, it’s going to get judged on the "judging criteria" and not cook rules __________________ seriously, I need a left handed thermapen

06-25-2011, 08:11 AM	#11
PimpSmoke is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 01-28-06 Location: Tha' Boo Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You can leave it attached pretty well and still get smoke ring around. It all depends on temp of meat going in and moisture in the cooker. TQ works on pork too, I think? __________________ So here we are in my paisley crib, what you want to eat? "Ribs"...ah, Latoya, I don't serve ribs. Better be happy that dress is still on, I heard the rip when you sat down.

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