Stats Don't lie - One Meat will Kill you

RangerJ · 05-23-2011, 10:07 AM

Most of you really experienced cooks will already know this but this is the first time a granular look has been done at how blowing one meat can kill you or in this case Pappa Charlies

I'm still relatively new at this and honestly there was no real reason to look this close at things as initially I was just trying not to finish DAL, which grew to getting one call, which has grown to trying to finish top 10 and in this case top 7.

From this weekend's Conroe event, these are not where I placed but where I placed in relation to the top 5 teams, with those ahead in parentheses

Pappa Charlies Vs Top 5

Chicken - 2nd ( Habitual Smokers)
Ribs - 1st
Pork - 3rd ( Triple A Cookers, Slabs are Sexy)
Brisket - last ( all top 5)
Overall vs top 5 - last - 12th

Pappa Charlies Vs Top 7

Chicken - 2nd ( Habitual Smokers)
Ribs - 2nd ( Lil Earls)
Pork - 4th ( Barry and Erica, Triple A, Slabs Are Sexy)
Brisket - Last ( All top 7)
Overall vs Top 7- Last - 12th

For the record, the brisket was 24th overall or almost last.

It really shines a light on how consistency pays off. Blow one meat and it effects everything. Again, sure most of you know this but for those that don't hope it helps.

redneck cooker · 05-23-2011, 10:11 AM

Ranger, I agree completely, with the point system KCBS uses, which I think is the best out there, cooking consistenly with all 4 meats is crucial...Nothin like texas Q...

chromesporty · 05-23-2011, 10:19 AM

Ya oughta try tanking in 2 meat catagories.

It ain't a purty sight.

RangerJ · 05-23-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chromesporty

Ya oughta try tanking in 2 meat catagories.

It ain't a purty sight.

Bet those two 2nd place checks helped ease that pain...

Podge · 05-23-2011, 10:40 AM

Just shows the importance to have all 4 catagories as best as you can do. One of them will be the worst, and you have to be prepared for that. GC's are usually lost and won in single digit scores. Every detail has to be accounted for.

Lake Dogs · 05-23-2011, 10:52 AM

Different sanctioning bodies choose GC and RGC differently. However, yes, KCBS being a total scoring system, consistency wins, inconsistency will get you killed in a hurry.

Yakfishingfool · 05-23-2011, 03:28 PM

On the other side of that is that doing great in two and ok in two is not as good as doing better in all four. It's all about the points baby!

Vince RnQ · 05-23-2011, 04:38 PM

Very insightful, Wes. I was sorry to see that you didn't make the Top 7 but clearly you're on the right track with your cooking and getting that 4th meat to become more consistent isn't very far away.

RangerJ · 05-23-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VisionQuest220

Very insightful, Wes. I was sorry to see that you didn't make the Top 7 but clearly you're on the right track with your cooking and getting that 4th meat to become more consistent isn't very far away.

A long time ago, in a land far, far away, someone once told me that consistency was the key to success. This same someone reinforced this point on mulitple occassions.

Who knew he had a small idea of what he was talking about?

Muzzlebrake · 05-23-2011, 08:35 PM

in the Northeast its called "Boboing" a category

Still Smokin · 05-23-2011, 08:49 PM

I learned my lesson this weekend, I finished 9th overall out of 28 teams, but I screwed the pooch on my staple meat, pork. I was also quite shocked to get 8th in Brisket using a $2.00 a pound USDA Select Brisky from Wally World ( I nailed the burnt ends).

I got a 3rd in Chicken, and had some great ribs, but tyhey needed about 30 minutes longer and I had charcoal issues and had to ration between 2 cookers, ended up 14th.

Not bad for my 1st KCBS and 6th comp ever.

RangerJ · 05-23-2011, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzzlebrake

in the Northeast its called "Boboing" a category

as in the Stern Whack Packer - Bobo ?

Muzzlebrake · 05-23-2011, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RangerJ

as in the Stern Whack Packer - Bobo ?

as in Mr. Bobo's Traveling BBQ All Stars, they did it a couple of times, dropped one meat that cost them a GC/RGC and it just kind of stuck

big matt · 05-23-2011, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RangerJ

A long time ago, in a land far, far away, someone once told me that consistency was the key to success. This same someone reinforced this point on mulitple occassions.

Who knew he had a small idea of what he was talking about?

I know exactly what your talking about!..we finally put it all together this weekend with 4 calls(first time ever)..that dam chicken killed us all last year,consistency,consistency,consistency..pays off!

chromesporty · 05-23-2011, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RangerJ

Bet those two 2nd place checks helped ease that pain...

It helped, but I would have traded those 2 second place checks for no money and a top 7 finish. But, I learned a valuable lesson for cookin' KCBS. It ain't the same as Texas organizations. Consistency is key.

05-23-2011, 10:07 AM	#1
RangerJ is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 11-04-08 Location: Houston, Texas	Stats Don't lie - One Meat will Kill you Most of you really experienced cooks will already know this but this is the first time a granular look has been done at how blowing one meat can kill you or in this case Pappa Charlies I'm still relatively new at this and honestly there was no real reason to look this close at things as initially I was just trying not to finish DAL, which grew to getting one call, which has grown to trying to finish top 10 and in this case top 7. From this weekend's Conroe event, these are not where I placed but where I placed in relation to the top 5 teams, with those ahead in parentheses Pappa Charlies Vs Top 5 Chicken - 2nd ( Habitual Smokers) Ribs - 1st Pork - 3rd ( Triple A Cookers, Slabs are Sexy) Brisket - last ( all top 5) Overall vs top 5 - last - 12th Pappa Charlies Vs Top 7 Chicken - 2nd ( Habitual Smokers) Ribs - 2nd ( Lil Earls) Pork - 4th ( Barry and Erica, Triple A, Slabs Are Sexy) Brisket - Last ( All top 7) Overall vs Top 7- Last - 12th For the record, the brisket was 24th overall or almost last. It really shines a light on how consistency pays off. Blow one meat and it effects everything. Again, sure most of you know this but for those that don't hope it helps.

05-23-2011, 10:11 AM	#2
redneck cooker On the road to being a farker Join Date: 04-10-11 Location: Glen Rose TX	Ranger, I agree completely, with the point system KCBS uses, which I think is the best out there, cooking consistenly with all 4 meats is crucial...Nothin like texas Q... __________________ Please visit us at www.redneckcooker.com for all your award winning rubs!!!

05-23-2011, 10:19 AM	#3
chromesporty is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 10-21-03 Location: Rockwall, TX	Ya oughta try tanking in 2 meat catagories. It ain't a purty sight. __________________ Shiner Bock is the grease that helps us slide thru life. New R&O smoker - Flaco Battle tested WSM - R2D2

05-23-2011, 10:52 AM	#6
Lake Dogs Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 07-14-09 Location: Lake Sinclair, GA Name/Nickname : Hance	Different sanctioning bodies choose GC and RGC differently. However, yes, KCBS being a total scoring system, consistency wins, inconsistency will get you killed in a hurry. __________________ Hance - MiM/MBN/GBA CBJ and comp cook Lake Sinclair, GA (strategically about an hour from darn near anywhere) My competition daze are probably behind me now; I pretty much cook for family, friends, and frankly the peace and solitude I get from smokin' on an offset... Was Lang 84DX, now Bubba Grills 250R and many Weber grills

05-23-2011, 03:28 PM	#7
Yakfishingfool Babbling Farker Join Date: 10-01-05 Location: Shokan, New York	On the other side of that is that doing great in two and ok in two is not as good as doing better in all four. It's all about the points baby! __________________ Oh It'z BBQ! 1 Weber Gold Series Grill 1 WSM 18,1 WSM 22 1 Weber performer, 1 Smokey Joe Platinum 1 XL Big Green Egg 1 FEC 100 Team BBQ-Brethren.com KCBS Certified Judge #9079

05-23-2011, 10:40 AM	#5
Podge is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 09-25-06 Location: Elk Creek, Ky.	Just shows the importance to have all 4 catagories as best as you can do. One of them will be the worst, and you have to be prepared for that. GC's are usually lost and won in single digit scores. Every detail has to be accounted for.

05-23-2011, 04:38 PM	#8
Vince RnQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 09-09-07 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Very insightful, Wes. I was sorry to see that you didn't make the Top 7 but clearly you're on the right track with your cooking and getting that 4th meat to become more consistent isn't very far away. __________________ Rhythm 'n QUE Our Website On Facebook A Few Great Moments in RnQ History 1st Place Chicken at The Jack 2012 GC at the Inaguaral Sam's Club Invitational The Double Grand Championship

05-23-2011, 08:35 PM	#10
Muzzlebrake Babbling Farker Join Date: 09-22-06 Location: Pleasant Valley NY	in the Northeast its called "Boboing" a category __________________ Sean Keever "What sort of people are these charcoal masters? They behaved badly and were unconcerned with appearances. Their hair was long and unkempt and their clothes were wrinkled and old. They drank beer to and from the crab house and they made rude noises while we cooked." Tao of Charcoal

05-23-2011, 08:49 PM	#11
Still Smokin Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 10-20-10 Location: Lowcountry SC	I learned my lesson this weekend, I finished 9th overall out of 28 teams, but I screwed the pooch on my staple meat, pork. I was also quite shocked to get 8th in Brisket using a $2.00 a pound USDA Select Brisky from Wally World ( I nailed the burnt ends). I got a 3rd in Chicken, and had some great ribs, but tyhey needed about 30 minutes longer and I had charcoal issues and had to ration between 2 cookers, ended up 14th. Not bad for my 1st KCBS and 6th comp ever.

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