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Old 04-18-2011, 09:27 PM   #1
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Had one comment card regarding our chicken: "chicken was undercooked"
no other comments. I thought chicken was either cooked or wasnt which is raw. If the chicken was raw wouldnt a table captain be called over to inpspect to make sure the pink was not smoke? and if raw, shouldnt it be scored a "1"...well it was still scored a "6"...how could a chicken be "undercooked"= raw and still score a "6"
if anyone can help explain this I would appreciate it...maybe I dont remember my judges class instructions so well
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:55 PM   #2
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Maybe they meant "tough" thinking that if you cooked it longer it would get more tender.

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Old 04-18-2011, 10:10 PM   #3
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Seriously? You think there is only raw and properly cooked?
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mushy or reddish juice
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:33 PM   #5
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It was reiterated to us judges last weekend that if the juices ran clear it was cooked. If they were red it was undercooked. I'm betting he/she meant tough. Or they were stupid...
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:34 AM   #6
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Seriously? You think there is only raw and properly cooked?
nope...didnt say that ...what i said was it chicken is either cooked or raw... i said nothing about "properly cooked"
beef can be medium rare medium well etc
as far as i know you cant order chicken medium rare because that equals raw
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:36 AM   #7
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It was reiterated to us judges last weekend that if the juices ran clear it was cooked. If they were red it was undercooked. I'm betting he/she meant tough. Or they were stupid...
well thats what i am saying...i would think that if there was a question as to whether or not the chicken was cooked the table captain would be called to check for clear juices,,,so not sure what happened
and as far as I remembered that if juices did not run clear then you couldnt possibly get a "6" you would have to get a "1" or is that incorrect?
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Old 04-19-2011, 07:13 AM   #8
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Here's what the KCBS says about undercooked meat.
Although I'm unclear on how a judge who refuses to eat the entry can score for taste or tenderness.


Under cooked meat poses a health problem and shouldn’t be eaten. A score of two (2)
through nine (9) should be given for taste and tenderness by the judge(s) who refuse to eat the entry.
This is not a disqualification and therefore should not be given a one (1). Assuming the entry has
already been scored for appearance, do not go back and change the score given for appearance.
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Old 04-19-2011, 07:33 AM   #9
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I would interpret the comment to mean needing more cooking to achieve best texture. Chicken cooked to 165 is "done" but may still be tough and stringy. Thighs are very forgiving of overcooking and can go to 180 with no harm done. Be sure to trim out the abductor tendon and any veins or cartlidge present.
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Just curious, did you like your chicken? I mean maybe they didn't say it right, but could it have been undercooked and tough?

I wish I had gotten a comment card on my brisket for instance. Nothing lower than a 6 and I got 94th. Some feedback would have been nice.
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My guess is that the score was for tenderness rather than taste or appearence.
Chicken can indeed be tough and still produce clear juices. Icall it undercooked also.
Just as a rack of ribs can be safe to eat temp wise but still short of being tender.
If all you have is raw and safley cooked, than you pry got the right score.
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Old 04-19-2011, 11:32 AM   #12
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Just curious, did you like your chicken? I mean maybe they didn't say it right, but could it have been undercooked and tough?

I wish I had gotten a comment card on my brisket for instance. Nothing lower than a 6 and I got 94th. Some feedback would have been nice.
i thought the texture was good although i think the color could have been a bit darker..they seemed a little pale
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:16 PM   #13
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Your chicken looks OK but I don't think this judge was commenting on looks. We got a comment card from a judge last year that said "Chicken was a little tough to pull apart" and he gave a 3 in tenderness AND taste. As others have said, I think this jusdge didn't like your tenderness - and often the tenderness and taste scores are similar.

We have done much better after that comment and have been (in my opinion) over cooking our chicken - but thighs can take a little over cooking - I guess!
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Ya, I would interpret that as under-cooked as in needed to be cooked more to be tender...not that it was raw. You can have safely cooked/not raw chicken that is under-cooked, well cooked, and over cooked, just like any of the meats so I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the judge was saying that under-cooked meant raw/unsafe.

I got 3 comment cards last weekend and they weren't real helpful either. Oh well.
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:23 PM   #15
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i thought the texture was good although i think the color could have been a bit darker..they seemed a little pale
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Nice looking box. I wouldn't put too much stock in that comment card or next time you'll get an overcooked one and then be really be confused!
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