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07-10-2006, 05:26 PM | #1 |
Babbling Farker
Join Date: 12-13-05
Location: St. Louis MO
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Judging (Kid's Que)?
I had a question about a Kids'Q Disqualification. If a Kids'Q turned in a box of hamburgers that were cut in half to make the required 4 pieces for the box. Would that be marking?
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07-10-2006, 07:14 PM | #2 |
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We've always been told that the cutting will be done by the judges.....so we turn in as a whole..... I know Chick'N'Pig's son has turned in one big burger, so the judges would have to cut it to score it. If it was not spelled out before hand, I'm afraid it would be hard to enforce a DQ.....
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07-10-2006, 07:28 PM | #3 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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Ash, my opinion is that DQing a child defeats the entire purpose of a Kids Q contest. The point is to get them interested in the "sport" so to ensure the contests continue into the future. These kids ARE the future of the BBQ circuit. In my opinion, it would take a grievous and blatant error to warrant ANY disqualification in a Kids Q. Score 'em down but don't break their hearts by DQing them.
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07-10-2006, 08:39 PM | #4 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 07-19-05
Location: Long Island NY
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I'm not a parent, I don't play one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. That being said, kids need to experience the real world. Sometimes life won't be fair and they might as well learn it. I'm not sure what the rule states but if they consider that marking, then they get DQed.
It's like disciplining a child. My sister does not believe in discipline so her kid keeps doing the same things wrong. He goes into someones house and will pick up anything he wants. He will usually break it. He's not allowed back in many houses. He is 8 years old and is in for a big surprise when the real world hits him in the face. My other sisters kids have been disciplined from day one. They know the difference between right and wrong. They know that making a mistake has consequences. They will have an easier time hitting adulthood. If the kid was DQed, explain why and make a lesson of it. Let them know the rules were accidentally broken and ask them what they learned. |
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07-10-2006, 09:02 PM | #5 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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07-10-2006, 10:20 PM | #6 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 07-19-05
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"It's like the youth leagues where the younger ones don't have score kept". Are those the same kids doing the new math where it doesn't matter that they don't get the right answers? Well I hope those kids are not designing the planes I fly in.
I remember being in Little League and we always kept score. I learned you win some, you lose some. One of the first things I learned when becoming a flight instructor was something called "The law of Primacy". http://www.laubach-on.ca/Trainingpost/talphand2.htm "First impressions are the most lasting. This means that those first lessons are all-important." Thats why the lessons learned in a child's first few years are extremely important. I don't believe in any of this new fangled pc cr@p the school systems are forcing down our throats. It's creating nothing but a new generation of cry babies. Keeping this on topic, I'm sure the kid that was DQed knows that his cooking was not for nought as he honed his skills, maybe made some new friends and hopefully learned one of lifes lessons. P.S. I think all this has made me realize I want children. I'm gonna go tell my wife the good news!!!! |
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07-10-2006, 10:22 PM | #7 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 07-19-05
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Off to the hospital to get stiched up. Damn curling irons hurt!!!!!!
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07-10-2006, 10:25 PM | #8 | |
Babbling Farker
Join Date: 02-19-06
Location: Kansas City
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MHO, and the answer to the original question :o)
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TO ANSWER THE ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT CUTTING THE MEAT -- KCBS states that kids dont have to cut thier turn-in's unless they choose to. Since knives are sharp, it is parental discression as to if the kids get to cut. It is up to the kids if they want thier turn in cut. Cutting it into portions is not required. Also, since many kids ques are hamburgers, the KCBS reps typically note that cutting up a burger would ruin a presentation of a nicely grillmarked, and expertly seared piece of meat. They do not want to hamper the presentation, or drive parents to have to buy enough meat to make six burgers to keep them "whole" . As a dad, I told my 5 yr old that cutting her burger up would allow all the yummy juices to run out, and it could be dry - " kinda like how you dont like it after it sits cut up" -- she turned in 3 whole ones, for the judges to split as they see fit. Hope that helps!
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07-10-2006, 11:19 PM | #9 |
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I've never seen a Kid's Q event and I don't know what the rules are - but I would imagine that the rules at the 5 year old level are easier and less stringent than at the 11 year old level. As they should be.
Having said that, I think it would be fair to DQ a 5 year old, if the rules are violated and that's the pre-determined result. I agree with Steve, that even a 5 year old needs to know that if you break the rules, you are penalized. DQ may be too strong a punishment at 5 - but certainly a reduction in score. I know that when my kids were in school, in the lower grades they got points off their homework, reports etc, if the headings weren't right. By the time they were in 4th grade, it was a massive reduction in grade. And by 8th grade the work was rejected whole as incompelete. |
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07-10-2006, 11:25 PM | #10 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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The point of youth leagues at ages 4-6 is not to teach them competitiveness, which you can't teach a person... either they have it or they don't. The point is to teach them HOW to play. Same goes for the Kids Q's... you're teaching them HOW to play... how to cook... how to make a box attractive... how to be safe in doing the whole process... and hopefully to get them to enjoy it and want to continue over the years. Who wants to sit there and see a five year old broken hearted because all the other kids get to go up and get a participant ribbon and they don't get anything? Yeah, they messed up but you know what? In MOST cases, it's actually the PARENT who caused the DQ in the first place. Why punish a kid for that?
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07-10-2006, 11:45 PM | #11 | |
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I don't help my kids in contests. If it's supposed to be a fourth grade science project - let the fourth graders do it. Same with the Kid's Q. With the exception of any dangerous activities, it should be the kid all the way. If the parent is involved at ALL, the kid should be disqualified. |
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07-10-2006, 11:54 PM | #12 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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At Platte City, we had the contest rep tell a grandfather no less than three times to let the little kid do the work. You're right. it's frustrating and a crock that the parents try to do the work when the rules specifically say they can't. Why not DQ the adult's KCBS team for breaking contest rules? They can DQ you for failing to obey the contest specified quiet hours. Why not this?
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07-10-2006, 11:56 PM | #13 | |
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07-11-2006, 08:56 AM | #14 | |
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I do think that if the parents allow themselves to do too much (pinewood derby dad mod) that they should be disqualified. It isnt fair to the kids to try to insert too much help. some pics of how I think it should go <doting dad mod>: KaylinOKJ1.JPG KaylinOKJ2.JPG kaylin_taylor_awards.jpg
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07-11-2006, 09:00 AM | #15 | |
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