Dealing with Health Department during turn ins - Page 2

Fat Freddy · 09-26-2013, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by McEvoy AZ

Not many people were doing peoples choice at this event because of some of the heath departments demands. At the last second we agreed to do it because we wanted to help the charity, since there was not much participation in pc at this event, It was otherwise a fun event. I guess next year it is unfortunate we probably will not be doing PC. By the way we did well in the health inspection, the inspector found no violations.

Sadly I heard from the original organizer of the event I am talking about(Storm Lake,Iowa) that because of the HD most teams refused to do PC that particular year. Teams that had already agreed to do it but then felt dealing with the HD wasnt worth it. And they, the organizers, had talked to several teams about the contest for the next year and was told by those teams that they would not be doing PC again. This organizer told me that they were counting on PC to bring in lots of the public to the event but without PC there was no reason to come out and then the sponsors decided no reason to sponsor without public etc etc. So the decision was to cancel the event and it probably wont be back because of HD...This venue was a great location and had a very good team numbers and had the big time sponsors but the HD being difficult is why this contest is no more according to the original organizer.

I know the HD has an important job and I am not anti HD and I know there is more to the story about why this contest is no more but I think it is funny how even the organizer blames the HD.

TooSaucedToPork · 09-26-2013, 07:00 PM

In most States KCBS Requirements are stricter than the HD...

wags · 09-26-2013, 07:44 PM

Sadly I think you'll see more of this creep into our lives as government feels empowered more and more to butt into our private business. A comp a is a PRIVATE event not to different than a company picnic. I fully support hd's for keeping restaurants safe, but butt out of my private life

McEvoy AZ · 09-26-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CivilWarBBQ

That organizer isn't doing right by the cooks. If I ran an event where an HD inspector appeared I would personally sit chaperone them and run interference for the cook teams from 11:30-2:00.

Of course the proper thing to do is to prevent this from happening in the first place. There is absolutely no reason for a health inspector to be in a comp team's site unless that team is serving food to the public. Judges sign a waiver, they don't count as "public".

Well I don't think the organizer saw him as the judges tables were a long walk from the teams that day. Like I said I reluctantly did PC, although I only was going to do PC after the turn ins and technically I was not doing any PC when inspected.

McEvoy AZ · 09-26-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

Sadly I heard from the original organizer of the event I am talking about(Storm Lake,Iowa) that because of the HD most teams refused to do PC that particular year. Teams that had already agreed to do it but then felt dealing with the HD wasnt worth it. And they, the organizers, had talked to several teams about the contest for the next year and was told by those teams that they would not be doing PC again. This organizer told me that they were counting on PC to bring in lots of the public to the event but without PC there was no reason to come out and then the sponsors decided no reason to sponsor without public etc etc. So the decision was to cancel the event and it probably wont be back because of HD...This venue was a great location and had a very good team numbers and had the big time sponsors but the HD being difficult is why this contest is no more according to the original organizer.

I know the HD has an important job and I am not anti HD and I know there is more to the story about why this contest is no more but I think it is funny how even the organizer blames the HD.

Well I do think I feel an obligation to contest sponsors and the charity which got me into this mess in the first place.

HBMTN · 09-26-2013, 08:14 PM

Here if you enter the peoples choice then they check you but never for the KCBS judges. They have come around at several competitions and told us we could not give samples to the public without an inspection.

landarc · 09-26-2013, 08:58 PM

Well, if there was PC, and the OP was signed up for it, then the HD has the right to inspect anything he is serving. Isn't right and why I would never do PC. You can't expect the inspector to know the difference. It is up to the organizer to make sure it doesn't happen.

Slamdunkpro · 09-26-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wags

Sadly I think you'll see more of this creep into our lives as government feels empowered more and more to butt into our private business. A comp a is a PRIVATE event not to different than a company picnic. I fully support hd's for keeping restaurants safe, but butt out of my private life

Don't count on this to protect you. There was a comp near here a couple of years ago where the HD was out in full force inspecting the KCBS meats. Their justification for this was the event was charging admission thus it was a public event. The fact that judges didn't pay admission didn't matter.

Ron_L · 09-26-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by landarc

Well, if there was PC, and the OP was signed up for it, then the HD has the right to inspect anything he is serving. Isn't right and why I would never do PC. You can't expect the inspector to know the difference. It is up to the organizer to make sure it doesn't happen.

I disagree, Bob. If the PC was pulled pork, for example, that's the only meat being served to the public, so to me that should be the only meat that they can inspect. Now my environment, three bin station, hand wash, etc. is fair game, but the other meats should be off limits.

landarc · 09-26-2013, 09:17 PM

I assumed that PC was chicken, I didn't pay enough attention. Yes, it should be limited to the meat being served.

Slamdunkpro · 09-26-2013, 09:19 PM

It won't be long before some municipality comes up with a "Competitive food service" permit.

landarc · 09-26-2013, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Slamdunkpro

It won't be long before some municipality comes up with a "Competitive food service" permit.

No doubt, if they can collect a fee, you can bet on it

wags · 09-26-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Slamdunkpro

It won't be long before some municipality comes up with a "Competitive food service" permit.

I'd be out, and I'm guessing many other teams would be as well.

CBQ · 09-26-2013, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HarleyGirl14226

I think if someone from outside of our team came into our site and said they needed to temp our food during a turn-in while I was preparing a box, there would be some Jersey Girl action coming into play.

Don't mess with Jersey Girls, even ones that live in New York.

Only time I have seen the health department is at events with People's Choice or team vending. When we vend in Vermont we have to provide a "floor" under the prep areas, which in our case means foam matts. I don't see how it's a food safety issue. If something hits the ground or hits the matt, it's not getting served.

swamprb · 09-26-2013, 10:25 PM

Its becoming all too common here in Washington State. I won't sample or vend at any contest that I am competing at.

There was an event that the HD shut down all sampling and vending for an organizers charity due to some teams not having food handlers cards and other violations. And another established event was killed by a $4000 HD fee for teams to sample for their charity.

Some events have even factored in Health Dept. fees in the registrations (waived upon early entry), but that should come out of the organizers pockets, wouldn't you think???

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09-26-2013, 08:58 PM	#22
landarc somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-26-09 Location: sAn leAnDRo, CA	Well, if there was PC, and the OP was signed up for it, then the HD has the right to inspect anything he is serving. Isn't right and why I would never do PC. You can't expect the inspector to know the difference. It is up to the organizer to make sure it doesn't happen. __________________ [COLOR=DarkGreen][COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]me: I don't drink anymore Yelonutz: me either, but, then again, I don't drink any less [/SIZE][/COLOR][/COLOR][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed] [COLOR=Pink]SSS[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE]

09-26-2013, 09:17 PM	#25
landarc somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-26-09 Location: sAn leAnDRo, CA	I assumed that PC was chicken, I didn't pay enough attention. Yes, it should be limited to the meat being served. __________________ [COLOR=DarkGreen][COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]me: I don't drink anymore Yelonutz: me either, but, then again, I don't drink any less [/SIZE][/COLOR][/COLOR][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed] [COLOR=Pink]SSS[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE]

09-26-2013, 09:19 PM	#26
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09-26-2013, 10:25 PM	#30
swamprb somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 10-27-06 Location: Bothell WA	Its becoming all too common here in Washington State. I won't sample or vend at any contest that I am competing at. There was an event that the HD shut down all sampling and vending for an organizers charity due to some teams not having food handlers cards and other violations. And another established event was killed by a $4000 HD fee for teams to sample for their charity. Some events have even factored in Health Dept. fees in the registrations (waived upon early entry), but that should come out of the organizers pockets, wouldn't you think??? __________________ Brian - Left Hand Smoke BBQ PNWBA 2010 Team of the Year BGE's/WSM's/Pellet Pro WSM/BWS Gater/BDS Clones/Cookshack 008/Weber Performer w EZ-Que/Cajun Bandit/Rib-O-Lator Test Pilot/La Caja China/BBQ Guru/Weber 1000 RK Drum Coffee Roaster Follow Left Hand Smoke on Facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/Left-H...462391?sk=wall KCBS CBJ/PNWBA CBJ www.pnwba.com

09-26-2013, 07:44 PM	#18
wags Got Wood. Join Date: 07-03-10 Location: Massachusetts	Sadly I think you'll see more of this creep into our lives as government feels empowered more and more to butt into our private business. A comp a is a PRIVATE event not to different than a company picnic. I fully support hd's for keeping restaurants safe, but butt out of my private life

09-26-2013, 08:14 PM	#21
HBMTN is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 10-16-08 Location: Virginia	Here if you enter the peoples choice then they check you but never for the KCBS judges. They have come around at several competitions and told us we could not give samples to the public without an inspection.