Interesting article on competition que...

CarolinaQue · 07-09-2013, 09:39 AM

Thought this was interesting...a different (or maybe not) perspective:

http://www.nashvillescene.com/bites/...e-competitions

Still Smokin · 07-09-2013, 09:54 AM

Amen. I think that I should start pursuing the "Green Ribbon"!!!

Good find, thanks for sharing.

Bbq Bubba · 07-09-2013, 09:56 AM

How competition bbq is "bastardizing" real bbq......

deguerre · 07-09-2013, 10:04 AM

That was a fun read. I've been to Martin's Joint. It's good Que.

Smokin'Butts · 07-09-2013, 10:10 AM

Good read, but I would have to disagree. Barbecue by my definition is unique to the individual. There is no "right" or "wrong" no "this way" or "that way". If you like it do it, if you don't, don't. It is common knowledge that competition bbq is a totally different beast than your backyard stuff. That said, most go into it with that mindset and I know of several whose "backyard" bbq with friends is nothing like that same person's "competition" bbq. Some people just enjoy the thrill of the competition and the fellowship. So for these guys to say that competition is ruining "real bbq", whether or not they mean to, they are the ones that are really hurting it. BBQ is good food, good friends, and good times. If all of those are there, then who cares how it happens.

Ok, done with my vent now. Hope everyone has a great day.

Vince RnQ · 07-09-2013, 10:15 AM

The way I see it, everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't have to agree with it.

I happen to like quiet time!

smokeisgood · 07-09-2013, 10:25 AM

I liked that article.

deguerre · 07-09-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince RnQ

The way I see it, everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't have to agree with it.

I happen to like quiet time!

Does Alexa know that?

CarolinaQue · 07-09-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Smokin'Butts

Good read, but I would have to disagree. Barbecue by my definition is unique to the individual. There is no "right" or "wrong" no "this way" or "that way". If you like it do it, if you don't, don't. It is common knowledge that competition bbq is a totally different beast than your backyard stuff. That said, most go into it with that mindset and I know of several whose "backyard" bbq with friends is nothing like that same person's "competition" bbq. Some people just enjoy the thrill of the competition and the fellowship. So for these guys to say that competition is ruining "real bbq", whether or not they mean to, they are the ones that are really hurting it. BBQ is good food, good friends, and good times. If all of those are there, then who cares how it happens.

Ok, done with my vent now. Hope everyone has a great day.

I agree with what you are saying about it being up to the individual. However, I also agree with the article a bit regarding how competition que is shaping the perception of people regarding the complicated processes and technique's that go into it. People watch a tv show or visit a comp and think that is what it means to cook "good" que and have a bad experience trying to duplicate the process at home in the back yard.

I also agree with the articles opinion on KCBS to a large degree. With that said though, they've created a major marketing machine that is getting them a lot of attention, and by default, steer's people's perception of what makes "good" que.

Alexa RnQ · 07-09-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by deguerre

Does Alexa know that?

All I know is that I'm at the hotel.

Slamdunkpro · 07-09-2013, 10:46 AM

Clearly Martin is judge #6 - he needs a refresher in "Judge as presented" or he needs to stop judging.

Alexa RnQ · 07-09-2013, 10:47 AM

And, let's see, in that article three of the four panelists haven't competed, and the fourth flat declares that KCBS has ruined BBQ. Further, if you think that every brisket entry presented to you at the Jack is "$#!+", then maybe you should politely decline to judge next year.

deguerre · 07-09-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexa RnQ

And, let's see, in that article three of the four panelists haven't competed, and the fourth flat declares that KCBS has ruined BBQ. Further, if you think that every brisket entry presented to you at the Jack is "$#!+", then maybe you should politely decline to judge next year.

This is probably why you shouldn't order the brisket at a Southern BBQ joint...

Podge · 07-09-2013, 10:54 AM

This was an interesting article. I will have to add, that us competitors are not bastardizing BBQ. We do what it takes to win within the rules. If the judges like bastardized bbq samples, then it is them who is the cause of what we do. Take this article for instance, if that guy didn't have any success in injecting his brisket with god-knows-what, he wouldn't do it anymore. If he always had the same success with just getting a brisket and putting salt and pepper on it, he'd still turn that in.

I guess i'm trying to say, most all of us cook for the judges, and most of us would rather cook with a different flavor profile, etc. for our own tastes, which would surprisingly probably be more suited to the people who at first criticize us for Bastardizing. So, who is really ruining BBQ?

I say no one. We either cook a product we like, or we cook a product that wins, because the judges like and expect something specific.

Alexa RnQ · 07-09-2013, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deguerre

This is probably why you shouldn't order the brisket at a Southern BBQ joint...

Oh, I have. I've done my fair share of BBQ tourism.

...which is why I'll be going to Gus's for fried chicken next time.

07-09-2013, 09:39 AM	#1
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07-09-2013, 09:56 AM	#3
Bbq Bubba somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 05-03-07 Location: New Baltimore, Mi.	How competition bbq is "bastardizing" real bbq...... __________________ Owner of Bubba's BBQ & Catering L.L.C. Beer Snob I cook the #bestbrisketnorthoftexas. Get over it. #detroitporkmafia BBQ Person of the Year 2013

07-09-2013, 10:04 AM	#4
deguerre somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 07-15-09 Location: Memphis, TN...Formerly of Decatur, AL	That was a fun read. I've been to Martin's Joint. It's good Que. __________________ Guerry [FONT=Book Antiqua]Pit Beeatch for Team Munchkin[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B]Avatar by Northwest BBQ [/B][/FONT]"...In nature, there are predators. I believe the common denominator of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility and murder..." Werner Herzog

07-09-2013, 10:25 AM	#7
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07-09-2013, 09:54 AM	#2
Still Smokin Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 10-20-10 Location: Lowcountry SC	Amen. I think that I should start pursuing the "Green Ribbon"!!! Good find, thanks for sharing.

07-09-2013, 10:10 AM	#5
Smokin'Butts Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 03-29-13 Location: Anderson, South Carolina Name/Nickname : Brian	Good read, but I would have to disagree. Barbecue by my definition is unique to the individual. There is no "right" or "wrong" no "this way" or "that way". If you like it do it, if you don't, don't. It is common knowledge that competition bbq is a totally different beast than your backyard stuff. That said, most go into it with that mindset and I know of several whose "backyard" bbq with friends is nothing like that same person's "competition" bbq. Some people just enjoy the thrill of the competition and the fellowship. So for these guys to say that competition is ruining "real bbq", whether or not they mean to, they are the ones that are really hurting it. BBQ is good food, good friends, and good times. If all of those are there, then who cares how it happens. Ok, done with my vent now. Hope everyone has a great day.

07-09-2013, 10:15 AM	#6
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07-09-2013, 10:47 AM	#12
Alexa RnQ is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 09-12-07 Location: the Ninth Ring of Hell, cleverly disguised as Phoenix	And, let's see, in that article three of the four panelists haven't competed, and the fourth flat declares that KCBS has ruined BBQ. Further, if you think that every brisket entry presented to you at the Jack is "$#!+", then maybe you should politely decline to judge next year. __________________ . Don't practice until you get it right; practice until you can't get it wrong. Don't overthink or undercook. [url=http://www.rhythmnque.com]Rhythm 'n QUE[/url]

07-09-2013, 10:54 AM	#14
Podge is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 09-25-06 Location: Elk Creek, Ky.	This was an interesting article. I will have to add, that us competitors are not bastardizing BBQ. We do what it takes to win within the rules. If the judges like bastardized bbq samples, then it is them who is the cause of what we do. Take this article for instance, if that guy didn't have any success in injecting his brisket with god-knows-what, he wouldn't do it anymore. If he always had the same success with just getting a brisket and putting salt and pepper on it, he'd still turn that in. I guess i'm trying to say, most all of us cook for the judges, and most of us would rather cook with a different flavor profile, etc. for our own tastes, which would surprisingly probably be more suited to the people who at first criticize us for Bastardizing. So, who is really ruining BBQ? I say no one. We either cook a product we like, or we cook a product that wins, because the judges like and expect something specific.