What have they got to hide?

Arlie may be the only one who can answer that question.

Not suprised at all

I'm actually kind of surprised the meetings were ever recorded in the first place. It's my understanding that a nonprofit is not obligated to do so in any way, shape or form. Sounds to me like this is just a good housekeeping measure.

Maybe I'm just naive, but why would we assume that this motion has anything to do with covering things up?

So, Board members are denied access to Board records?

I wish I could say it was unbelievable.

My motions are tabled again for next month. Motion #3 is denied pending finalization and execution of Non-disclosure Agreements by all KCBS board members and office staff.

Recordings go back to 2005, board meetings and committee meetings. These should never have been retained, IMO. Listen to the mp3 if you want details.

Candy Sue, writing on my own behalf and not reflecting in any way more than my own opinion.

Candy Sue said:

My motions are tabled again for next month. Motion #3 is denied pending finalization and execution of Non-disclosure Agreements by all KCBS board members and office staff.

Recordings go back to 2005, board meetings and committee meetings. These should never have been retained, IMO. Listen to the mp3 if you want details.

Candy Sue, writing on my own behalf and not reflecting in any way more than my own opinion.

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You make your typical disclAimer but yet your opinion is reflected in your vote.

If you read her statment which, I believe is in English, she stated it was her own opinion and that is the way she voted, so what is wrong with that?

But as long as we have this historical record why would we destroy it now? I understand the Non-disclosure but I don't understand destroying our legacy. Like it or not KCBS is an amazing story and maybe someday a competent author will write the book. And when it happens those type of archives will be really valuable. The stuff that is truly proprietory can then be easily worked around.

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Motion #3 is denied pending finalization and execution of Non-disclosure Agreements by all KCBS board members and office staff.

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Considering what has happened in the past, it makes perfect sense to me to not release priviledged information until there is at least an NDA in place to protect it. That said, since you brought it up, I'm curious: Once all NDAs have been executed, would you vote to allow current board members to hear the recordings of past executive sessions before they vote whether or not to delete them?

dmp

What would they do to me if I had downloaded and save EVERY mp3 that had been posted? What is stopping someone from continuing to do that? The KCBS transparency is looking very sketchy at the moment. I appreciate the four new board members doing what they said they would. That says alot for the rest.
Sadly this is BJ writing on my own behalf, stating what a great deal of the membership are thinking.

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What would they do to me if I had downloaded and save EVERY mp3 that had been posted? What is stopping someone from continuing to do that?

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It's very possible that I am misreading the motions above (I haven't listened to the MP3), but it appears that what was suggested was to delete the original recordings and retain the MP3. I'm not aware of the format of the originals, but that position makes sense to me considering that it may cost money and take up considerable space to retain the originals.

That said, while I would welcome audio archives, any one doing that without the KCBS blessing should be careful. I'm sure there is a copyright and relatively limmited grant (or there soon will be) associated with downloading the published MP3s.

dmp

Daniel's got this right. MP3s are public record. I've got a bunch of them on my ipod. I figure it's like storing back issues of the Bullsheet, but none is used for anything but my own personal use.

I'd rather be able to see the disclosures. That is way more telling of who has the magic keys.

Same old same old.

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I'd rather be able to see the disclosures. That is way more telling of who has the magic keys.

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I'd like to see the 1099s.

The city council where I live have these same issues and the more they say they aren't hiding anything their actions sure reflect otherwise. It is human nature to want what you can have, and when humans don't get that then they assume the worst, and until shown otherwise they won't believe anything else. If this were any other organization or charity people would be mad, but to be perfectly honest, the 15k+ membership should be outraged but they aren't because most could care less because they maintain a membership so they can: be a judge, attend a CBJ class, cook a Sam's Club event, get a discount on something, get a sticker, or they are just habitual members.
I have been involved with charities and fraternal organizations that would have their members crying foul, and the board would take a look at their actions and see if what they were doing really went with the mission, and if they weren't they may change their ways.
You would never see the St. Jude's Children's Charities, MDA, Shriner's Hospital, Wounded Warrior Fund, Operation Barbeque Relief, or any other philanthropic organization work so hard to hide and conceal things. Why KCBS. I personally know a handful of the BOD members and I would say that the one's I speak with actually welcome transparency and an open organization.
I love barbeque, the people, and the fellowship but that one evening back in the fall of 1985 I would guess that nobody ever imagined the size and magnitude of the KCBS or the influence it would have on barbeque nor would they have thought that keeping members informed and apprised of happenings would need to be so covert.

(5) Ayes: Arlie Bragg, Dave Compton, George Mullins, Steve Farrin, Jeff Stith
(6) Noes: Mike Budai, Randy Bigler, Tana Shupe, Mark Simmons, Paul Kirk, Candy Weaver
(1) Abstained: Mike Lake

I think your gonna see alot of this KC......BS

The closed sessions should continue to be recorded and archived indefinably. Convert them to mp3 and store them. The KCBS board should be held responsible for every decision they make in open or closed sessions. Without recordings, there is no proof of who did or said what. Should a questionable decision be made in a closed session and for some reason a court case ensues, a recording of the meetings would be the only real proof of what happened.
If you don't want what you said recorded, don't say it.
The archives of every meeting ever held.. open or closed.. should be kept for as long as the club exists and then some.

Why did Mike Lake abstain? BTW, thanks for the 4 votes for transparency I for one surely appreciate it. You can put that in the minutes.