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Old 02-21-2020, 04:59 AM   #1
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I’m hearing some rumors that garnish is going to be eliminated. Anyone else heard anything?
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:20 AM   #2
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Don't see it happening, KCBS is pretty set on garnish separating itself from all the other BBQ organizations.
Anyway, as long as the garnish is legal it plays no part in the appearance score.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:35 AM   #3
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id be really surprised if they changed that .....
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:12 AM   #4
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Haven't heard anything, but maybe it's a consideration for the single meat rib pilot program? If so, there just happens to be a special Board meeting coming up shortly ...
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Don't see it happening, KCBS is pretty set on garnish separating itself from all the other BBQ organizations.
Anyway, as long as the garnish is legal it plays no part in the appearance score.
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It's not supposed to play a role in the appearance score, but I think it does depending on the judge.

Quick story: I took Tuffy Stone's competition class a few years ago, and one of the other students was a KCBS Master Judge. So when discussing some of the things Tuffy would ask this gentlemen how the judges perceived it, and how they would score, and things of that nature. When talking about garnish the guy went into a long rant about "wanting to see that the pitmasters put some time into it." He said that if the garnish wasn't aligned properly or if it was sticking up in one place that would usually end up with a small deduction. He also said that if cooks did something like putting a flat piece of lettuce on the bottom that would also receive a deduction.

Mind you this guy was a Master Judge and this is what he's saying about his judging process...even though it clearly goes against the KCBS guidelines. Again, this is a single case and it's all hearsay as I'm just repeating what someone else said, but I figured it's worthy of discussion.

Personally I'd love to get rid of garnish as I hate paying the extra $10-15 just so I can stuff greens in a box. I know people are used to it and make use of it for keeping the meat in place in the box, but all the other organizations don't require it and people have figured out how to make it work without garnish. For me it just seems like an extra step that isn't necessary...and with the possibility of it actually being judged (at least in some capacity) it kind of really deals a blow to the newer teams who are trying to figure this stuff out.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:05 AM   #6
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they should put a small square of astro turf in the box. cheaper easier better
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It's not supposed to play a role in the appearance score, but I think it does depending on the judge.

Quick story: I took Tuffy Stone's competition class a few years ago, and one of the other students was a KCBS Master Judge. So when discussing some of the things Tuffy would ask this gentlemen how the judges perceived it, and how they would score, and things of that nature. When talking about garnish the guy went into a long rant about "wanting to see that the pitmasters put some time into it." He said that if the garnish wasn't aligned properly or if it was sticking up in one place that would usually end up with a small deduction. He also said that if cooks did something like putting a flat piece of lettuce on the bottom that would also receive a deduction.

Mind you this guy was a Master Judge and this is what he's saying about his judging process...even though it clearly goes against the KCBS guidelines. Again, this is a single case and it's all hearsay as I'm just repeating what someone else said, but I figured it's worthy of discussion.

Personally I'd love to get rid of garnish as I hate paying the extra $10-15 just so I can stuff greens in a box. I know people are used to it and make use of it for keeping the meat in place in the box, but all the other organizations don't require it and people have figured out how to make it work without garnish. For me it just seems like an extra step that isn't necessary...and with the possibility of it actually being judged (at least in some capacity) it kind of really deals a blow to the newer teams who are trying to figure this stuff out.
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Wish they would get rid of it
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they should put a small square of astro turf in the box. cheaper easier better
... and it could be recycled.
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The only thing I like about the garnish is that it seems to present the meat better, in my opinion. The green just provides more of a contrast and provides a base that lets the meat "stand out" more than just putting it in the bottom of the clam shell.
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Of course it effects scoring. Anyone who says that it doesn't is lying to you and themselves. If it didn't matter, no one would do it.

If the garnish makes the meat look better, then the garnish matters. Period. I hate that it's optional, because it's really not. Either say it's mandatory or get rid of it, imo.
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I would be happy camper to see it go away.
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:33 PM   #14
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As a judge, do I judge garnish... ? I sure do !!!

If used and if there is something wrong with it, I will score you down, way down !!!

And it takes a Rep's approval / direction ;)
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It's not supposed to play a role in the appearance score, but I think it does depending on the judge.

Personally I'd love to get rid of garnish as I hate paying the extra $10-15 just so I can stuff greens in a box. I know people are used to it and make use of it for keeping the meat in place in the box, but all the other organizations don't require it and people have figured out how to make it work without garnish. For me it just seems like an extra step that isn't necessary...and with the possibility of it actually being judged (at least in some capacity) it kind of really deals a blow to the newer teams who are trying to figure this stuff out.
The PNWBA is the same as KCBS, and it is not REQURIED by either sanctioning body. By all means, go ahead and just put meat in the box.
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