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08-10-2010, 08:29 AM | #1 |
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Comment Card for scores below a 6
Should there be a mandatory comment card for a score below a 6? Has this ever been discussed/voted on? Does anybody else support this? If enough members are interested in making this a rule how do we get it on the table?
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08-10-2010, 11:00 AM | #2 |
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No. If you told a judge you have to give a card for below a 6, it will prevent many from potentially scoring down when they should, for the simple fact they won't want to fill out a card. You'd basically force a baseline of 6 for everyone regardless, with the rare instance of going below a 6 for burnt / raw / overseasoned bbq only.
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08-10-2010, 12:45 PM | #3 |
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No. Comment cards slow the judging process, so requiring every judge to do one on a bad entry would bog things down and frankly, not provide much more information to the cook. How many times must you be told your chicken was burnt?
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08-10-2010, 01:26 PM | #4 |
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Comment cards should be optional.
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08-10-2010, 02:20 PM | #5 |
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I agree, forcing a comment card for a score below a certain level would ensure that no scores were ever BELOW that.
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08-10-2010, 03:46 PM | #6 | ||||
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There are many excellent comments in this thread. Those I find pertinent are (bolded emphasis mine):
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Regarding the idea that "comment cards aren't needed because some teams win consistently, so just learn to cook better" from another thread: Quote:
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10-12-2010, 02:39 PM | #7 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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I'm really sorry that I didn't see this thread when it came up.
I support the forcing of comment cards, but not with a 6 but a 5. I for one would love to see a card from the judges that gave me a 4, or in one case a 3, for appearance when the rest of the scores were 8's and 9's. This was not a one time problem, we are talking three comps out of 9 this year. I went back and asked to see the score sheets and was told by Mike Lake that it all had to be handled thru the office. My thoughts would be that it could clear up some questionable scoring by the simple fact that when the table captain looks at a sheet and then asks for the card that maybe, it was simply written poorly and the '4' should have been a '9' and that '5' should have been an '8'. I pay enough good money to enter a contest and feed the judges (just look at both the size and quantity of coolers) that I deserve and response to an out of place score. Don't get me wrong. I've cooked more than my fair share of chitty entries. I'm looking at this as simple respect. Your calling what I did chit, tell me why. Rant over
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10-12-2010, 04:05 PM | #8 |
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A bit off topic
http://www.kcbs.us/news.php?id=287 Wednesdays motion concerning CBJs that consistently vote well outside the norm
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10-12-2010, 04:44 PM | #9 |
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I think this is a good thing, Thom. I don't really care what a judges particular scores for an entry are, because I'm sure at times they all get "questionable" entries. But, I think seeing their differentiation from the table average for an entry is significant.
Identifying a trend of scoring significantly outside the table average may indicate a need for additional training for that particular judge. Or, it may help to identify weaknesses in the CBJ training program in general. Either way, if it eventually leads to more consistent scoring, I'm all for it.
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10-12-2010, 05:58 PM | #10 |
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Yes if the goal is education
I would favor it as well
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10-12-2010, 06:11 PM | #11 |
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I always give a comment card for any score below a 6. In fact the table judge went around to everyone at the table and suggested they give a comment card for any score under 6. Oddly enough 1 entry got 6 cards that all said the same thing ;)
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10-12-2010, 06:18 PM | #12 |
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While at Oconee I received 2 comment cards on my Brisket. I loved the cards one said it was undercooked and the other said it was overcooked . I only cooked one brisket and took all six pieces from the middle. Now I have no clue as to what was wrong with it.
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10-12-2010, 06:25 PM | #13 |
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if a judge scores down 2 points or lower then average from the rest of the table. table captain should have to step in with another table captain and see if there score is legit. I also thank that a table captian should have at least 10 contest to his or her credit. before they are allowed to table captian . we cannot keep having such skewed scoreing
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10-12-2010, 06:26 PM | #14 |
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Marc and I tried this approach at the recent event at Palmerton. We instructed the judges that if they score 5 or less they best be ready to back it up with constructive feedback. We took it one step further, that if they couldn't support a score of less than 6 with a comment card, we would default their score to a 6. (we weren't sanctioned).
surprise! we didn't get any 5's matter of fact I don't think we got any 6's. however all the turn-in were at the very least above average Dana
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10-12-2010, 06:30 PM | #15 |
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i think that is so ture pa love emily ur fav kid ever
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