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09-12-2017, 05:19 PM | #1 |
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Join Date: 07-19-13
Location: Houston, TX
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LSG horizontal offset vs Gator offset questions
I'm going to pull the trigger on a horizontal offset. I'm in Houston which is the mecca of pit builders. Lots to choose from and tough choices (no I don't want a pit barrel, but thanks in advance pit barrel guys ).
Questions: Gator has the little dial style intake and 4" square exhaust. LSG has the little slider, and uses 5" exhaust. #1 Would the LSG with the larger exhaust draft a little better? Or Am I over thinking this? Reason I ask is I do a lot of chicken and was thinking a larger exhaust and better drafting pit would be able to get temps up higher if needed. #2 I have no offset experience and not sure what size to get. I currently have a 22" Kettle and in reality, dont need a ton of grill space. A 20x32" would probably work just fine for my actual needs, or a 20x36" would be just great. But my brain tells me that it would be harder to get away from firebox heat on a smaller offset (thinking brisket and ribs here) for low/slow and I should get a 40" to give me a wider range of heat zones and more options and more space in those zone. Anyone with a 32", 36" or 40" Gator or LSG? can chime in? |
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09-12-2017, 05:24 PM | #2 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 07-17-13
Location: Burleson Tx
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24"x 48" in either. I don't like any thing smaller than 20" x 40" .......Ain't Gator Pits Higher Priced?
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09-12-2017, 05:27 PM | #3 |
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Join Date: 04-21-17
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Supposedly Chris used to work in Ritch's shop. The lore has it that Chris broke away and formed LSG. To me, Chris does it as good if not better for less money.
The catch is that Ritch has the TV shows and exposure so he knows he'll have people ponying up 4,5,6 Gs for his rigs while, to me, LSG is sleeker and they're in the 2,3,4 thousand range. To each their own but LSG wins in my book.
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09-12-2017, 05:27 PM | #4 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 07-17-13
Location: Burleson Tx
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http://www.lonestargrillz.com/20---x...et-Smoker.html
.........................or http://www.lonestargrillz.com/24---x...pe-Smoker.html ..........................or http://www.lonestargrillz.com/24--x4...pe-Smoker.html
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09-12-2017, 05:29 PM | #5 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 07-17-13
Location: Burleson Tx
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I LIKE Verticals myself........
http://www.lonestargrillz.com/Vertical-Smokers.html SSV3 and a few others have the Verticals with Warmer and do some BadAzz cooks in the Warmer....... http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh....php?p=3865974 . .
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09-12-2017, 05:41 PM | #6 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 01-08-14
Location: San Antonio, TX
Name/Nickname : Terry
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I was halfway through a response and realized that you asked about the "Horizontal", not the "Vertical" offset. I had the Big Boy LSG Vertical Offset with the warming oven and upgraded firebox (over $3.5K) and it was a BEAST. Big, heavy, lots of cooking space, and worth every penny. The thing drafted like crazy. I could do low temps or high temps, but it took me a while to figure it out, coming from a WSM that was set it and forget it.
Now, I am going to share something I wrote up a while ago. It's long, and painful, but it's something you should be aware of before making the leap. Don't want to scare you away, just make sure you know what you are getting into before you spend the big bucks on a stick burner like that. Quote:
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09-12-2017, 05:44 PM | #7 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 07-17-13
Location: Burleson Tx
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LSG 24 x 48 $2595
http://www.lonestargrillz.com/24--x4...pe-Smoker.html Gator Pit 24 x 48 $3495 http://www.gatorpit.net/2448-smoker.html .
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09-12-2017, 05:46 PM | #8 |
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Join Date: 12-28-11
Location: Belton, Tx
Name/Nickname : Texas Pete
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I'd look at the LSG vertical offset. More space in a smaller footprint.
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09-12-2017, 05:51 PM | #9 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 07-17-13
Location: Burleson Tx
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Pitmaker 24" x 48" $2500
http://pitmaker.com/product/vin/?vin=67759341 . Pits by JJ 24" x 48" $2500 https://pitsbyjj.com/?product=jj-24x48-smoker .
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NO Such Thing as Over Smoked - just Over Dirty Smoked............. Last edited by SmittyJonz; 09-12-2017 at 06:12 PM.. |
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09-12-2017, 05:55 PM | #10 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 01-08-14
Location: San Antonio, TX
Name/Nickname : Terry
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I think either I or Smitty scared him off... (kidding)
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09-12-2017, 06:01 PM | #11 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 07-17-13
Location: Burleson Tx
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Really I'd drive North to Ennis and get a Johnson T Pit . $1680 ....... a Vertical Horizontal Double Reverse Flow- Oh Ya.!!
http://www.johnsonsmokers.com/20-t-pit/ .
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09-12-2017, 06:44 PM | #13 |
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Join Date: 08-14-17
Location: Commerce Twp, MI
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Between the two you are looking at, LSG is a much better value. Both are great cookers but I think LSG offers more attention to detail on the little things like hidden door stops in the hinges instead of on top of the cooker and welds on the inside of the cook chamber door instead of the outside. They also offer bigger things like a 1/2" thick laser cut charcoal grate and a grill on top of the firebox included in the price. In the end, you can't make a bad choice with any of the names mentioned above. I'd recommend the 24" pipe to get more usable space on the second shelf. Keep in mind, whichever size you get, subtract about 4" for unusable space on the width of the grate. 40" cookers only have 36" of grate width.
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09-12-2017, 07:20 PM | #14 |
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Join Date: 04-21-17
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Terry, thanks for the write up. Stickburners are definitely to be baby sat, but tending a fire is what makes BBQ so appealing to me. I'm probably going to go for LSG VO with charcoal basket and BBQ Guru for some set and forget quality while still being able to poke at a fire. The beauty about BBQ is it's big enough for all.
To the OP, I'd go LSG cause the Gator prices do NOT include tuning plates and the upgrades are WAY more costly. It's how a Gator 24 x 48 loaded with upgraded features ends up up in the $5K range with shipping pushing it way higher.
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09-12-2017, 07:26 PM | #15 |
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Join Date: 06-16-16
Location: Wills Point, Tx
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LSG is hard to go wrong with. I've got one of their big vertical offsets and the build quality is top notch. I think their prices are a lot better than most of the other Houston pit builders. I really like their fire box damper design. Not really a fan of those spinning ones that gator uses. Just one more thing that can bind up. My vertical offset is stupid easy to run to. I did a brisket on Sunday and I might have spent a grand total of 30 minutes jacking around with it over the course of the day.
Not a horizontal, but here is a full album for mine. https://imgur.com/a/KITNm
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LSG 30 in Vertical Offset w/ Warming Oven|Weber Genesis E-330|Weber Kettle|Cajun Fryer Last edited by JacksBBQ; 09-12-2017 at 07:32 PM.. |
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