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04-09-2010, 03:12 PM | #1 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 09-23-08
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Judging questions...
As a newly (like in the last 2 hours) minted CBJ, I have a few questions that I didn't think were answered by our instructor... maybe someone form the group can help a newb out...
1 - When judging appearence, how much does.should garnish or lack of weigh in your score? Does it or could it be looked up as a 'marked box' if no garnish is there? 2 - Does the texture of the brisket change so dramatically if it is pulled/chopped that it could create an illusion of properly cooked beef, if it is overcooked? 3 - Would there ever be an instance where there were only 5 judges at a table? I will post others if anyone is so kind as to answer these for a newb. Thanks!
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04-09-2010, 03:29 PM | #2 | |
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04-09-2010, 05:05 PM | #3 |
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I have to correct the above poster. There is NEVER an instance where there will be more or less than 6 judges at a table. The number of entries that reach a table may vary, but never the number of judges scoring an entry. If the number of scores received by a team were allowed to change there would be no way to evaluate the scores and fairly select a winner under the KCBS system.
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04-09-2010, 05:18 PM | #4 |
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I absolutely disagree with you Civil. I have judged at contests that didn't have enough for 6 entries at all tables and only 5 judges participated. Never will be more that 6 but definately can be 5 judges.
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04-09-2010, 05:33 PM | #5 |
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These were KCBS sanctioned events? I'd like to know exactly where and when these contests occurred and who was repping them. Please explain to me how scores can be compared when Team A receives scores from 5 judges and Team B receives scores from 6 judges?
It is not uncommon for a table to get 5 or 7 entries as the number of teams to tables doesn't always divide evenly. The only problem this poses is some judges may have more or less to eat than expected. Having an entry receive marks by less than six judges however breaks the scoring system. In that situation you employ table captains, volunteers or recruit folks from the public to judge, but entries should never be receiving only 5 scores in a KCBS sanctioned event. Last edited by Gowan; 04-09-2010 at 05:33 PM.. Reason: weird text jumbling upon posting |
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04-09-2010, 05:40 PM | #6 |
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I don't think I've ever seen a table that wasn't 6 judges, but have been at tables that had less than six samples per catagory.
Tim, it's good to ask questions, and remember other than the printed rule it is best to write down a question and personnaly ask the KCBS rep in charge at any given contest. Not that you won't get a correct answer here but the only true answer every time is from the rep. Good luck in your judging this summer and thanks for stepping up and volenteering. Ed
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04-09-2010, 06:02 PM | #8 | |
is One Chatty Farker
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If the cook wishes to present pulled or chopped brisket then perhaps that's because it is a better product when served that way. Won't know until you taste it. (getting off my soapbox).
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04-09-2010, 06:37 PM | #9 |
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I no longer absolutely disagree We were only given 5 samples to judge and all 6 judges got 5 samples. I took toothpics and mocked boxes and judges scorecards and then realized I was absolutely wrong. My bad. Civil is correct so please listen to him and delete my responses.
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04-09-2010, 06:42 PM | #10 |
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No worries man. Everybody makes a mistake from time to time (my two ex-wives prove I sure do!) Please don't take my response as jumping on you - I was just shocked to think a Rep would allow this to happen and didn't want a new CBJ to start out with a misconception.
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04-09-2010, 06:46 PM | #11 |
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It fine Civil. Didn't take it wrong at all. Just a brother helping another brother! Appreciate ya!
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04-09-2010, 10:22 PM | #12 | |
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On everything but ribs you can turn in chopped, pulled, sliced - whatever you feel is your best shot. I'm going to judge you on what is in the box, not what I wish was there. Then again, I'm kinda strange that way. YMMV
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04-10-2010, 07:37 AM | #13 | |
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04-10-2010, 02:09 PM | #15 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 09-23-08
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I did ask. Was presented with a "That's subjective" or "KCBS doesn't have an offical criteria for that..." Also, as we were told at the beginning of the class, it was the largest CBJ class ever (thanks to BBQ Pitmasters on TLC), so the Q and A period was very brief.
But, thanks for all the responces and help! I promise to be the best, most impartial and honest judge I can.
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