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07-24-2013, 02:55 AM | #196 | |
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07-24-2013, 06:11 AM | #197 | |
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The only constant is you, the odds of seeing the same set of judges under the same circumstances is off the charts. If you adjust your style against one or two contest results you will always be chasing your tail. We are still fairly new to this, 7 comps, and my thinking is that it will take about 10 - 12 to gather up enough data to start tweaking with confidence. If you change every time you get a bad score, you will have random products with random success. The best teams cook the same EVERY TIME until they find a consistent flaw in their process. They fix it and they improve. That is the key to success, not chasing hot tables.
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07-24-2013, 06:54 AM | #198 |
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So wait....this new scoring program is not calculating scores properly? Is that right?
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07-24-2013, 08:41 AM | #199 |
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This is complete hearsay, and what likely amounts to normal hobnobbing between judges across the tables to pass the time between categories, but it was told to me this past weekend that all the judges were talking about the new system during the contest. That KCBS is tracking their scores across contests. Some judges have already received letters because their judging is way off from the norm and some have been banned. It stuck me as odd and inaccurate, but was curious if anyone could confirm or deny that this was the case?
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07-24-2013, 08:45 AM | #200 | |
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07-24-2013, 09:10 AM | #201 | |
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Also did you check your judge 6 scores in ribs? Although it was the score that was thrown out I dont know what scores add up to a 29.1544
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07-24-2013, 09:55 AM | #202 | |
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But if the judges' rumor mill is spinning in that direction, well and good. Just giving thought that it *might* happen might give some judges pause. And for the majority that are handing down thoughtful, well-considered scores, well, what would they have to worry about?
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07-24-2013, 10:34 AM | #203 | |
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07-24-2013, 11:08 AM | #204 | |
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07-24-2013, 11:39 AM | #205 | |
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07-24-2013, 12:05 PM | #206 | |
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Now I am a competitor (never judged) so I have had many moments where I said 'What the hell are those judges thinking? That was the best chicken/ribs/pork/brisket I ever cooked" and ended up middle of the pack or worse. Or even take a 1st in a category one week and the next week not walk doing the same exact thing! So I know and understand the frustrations and confusions when it comes to judging. I think we all need to take a moment and realize that every competition is different - different meat (not the same exact cow, pig, chicken), different tables, different judges, different altitude/humidity/temperature, different teams, etc...But the underlying constant we see is that the "Top" teams continue to win! Not only winning on thier home filed but winning when they travel to other states as well. They are winning where the "difference" is multiplied many times. I can only see that if KCBS starts "judging the judges" and pushes them to the "norm" then we as competitiors will still not be happy with the outcome! If this happens remember this post at the next comp you go to and there is a 5 way tie for 1st in chicken!
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07-24-2013, 12:05 PM | #207 | |
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Individual scores are not necessecarily indicative of anyone's average and I certainly wouldn't want to see a judge be confronted for giving an honest score to a single entry. The real elephant in the room is that for the first time, teams are going to see just how good or how bad the KCBS judging system really is. I have always believed that if a judge cannot articulate their reasoning behind the score he/she gave to an entry they have no business judging in the first place. That's why I have always been a proponent of mandatory comment cards for any score of 5 or lower. Of course, the comment card system is temporarily, (most likely permanently), on hiatus so that really doesn't much matter.
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07-24-2013, 12:26 PM | #208 | |
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07-24-2013, 12:38 PM | #209 |
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Thanks for the reply Candy! I figured as much, but thought it was interesting it was already being discussed around the tables.
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07-24-2013, 12:43 PM | #210 |
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Big concern is the bunching of the same teams' entries to different tables. Table captains make sure they haven't seen an entry before, but right now, there's no way to keep the same team entries from hitting the same tray going to a different table. Larger the contest, the less it's likely for this to happen. It is worrisome at smaller events though.
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