Fire Control / Lang 60

Williefb · 11-19-2012, 06:50 AM

I bought a Lang 60 a couple of months ago and the learning curve for me on this rig is a bit different than my UDS. What I seem to notice is the presence of a lot more smoke than I ever saw with my UDS in fact with the UDS I could hardly tell if it was burning or not. I'm using charcoal to get a bed of coals and adding dry and seasoned hickory to get the temp up and backing into the cooking temp but I still seem to be getting more smoke than I should be. Many of the hickory pieces are slabs and none are huge chunks. The pinwheels on the side are open and the damper on the stack is open. If you have some suggestions you could pass along for fire management I would be most appreciative.

colonel00 · 11-19-2012, 08:10 AM

Sounds like your Lang is broken. I will be happy to take it off of your hands for disposal

Now, are you warming your wood before adding it? I know many people will set the wood on top of the fire box to let it get warm before adding it as this can help it burn quicker and cleaner. Are you getting smoke all of the time or just when you add wood? Do you ever get thin blue smoke?

Notice the difference from the one on the left to the one on the right.

captndan · 11-19-2012, 08:17 AM

It's the fuel. Slab has lots of junk in it besides wood. It will never burn clean.

Smokin' D · 11-19-2012, 09:02 AM

I have a Lang 48 and start things as you do with a chimney or more of lump charcoal and two or three splits on top of that. Vents fully open, firebox door ajar and the chamber door open for about ten minutes. Close the chamber door and let it go for a few minutes then close the fire box door. Watch the temps and adjust the vents as necessary. When the cooker is up to temp, there is typically just 1 vent open about 1/2 way. I also put a stick or two on top of the fire box to warm up before they go in the fire. The smoke will be different that on a drum, ie more visible, but the flavor from that smoke will be smoother and more subtle. The smoke should still be a pale bluish though.

If by slabs you mean the thin outer slices of a log with a lot of bark and little real wood, that could be your problem. Small splits the size of your forearm and about 13" long work real well for me.

BBQ Bandit · 11-19-2012, 09:27 AM

Agree with the above advice - the slabs have got to go... away from your firebox.

Properly dried wood splits will give you a big difference with flavor and the return to the desirable Thin Blue Smoke by maintaining a small and hot burning fire. There are also videos available on Ben Lang's site, too.

Note that he uses splits on the smaller 36 model, too.

Williefb · 11-19-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by captndan

It's the fuel. Slab has lots of junk in it besides wood. It will never burn clean.

Please explain a bit more. The slabs that I have shouldn't have anything else other than the wood itself. They are only rough sawed hickory logs. Not being argumentative just trying to gain some knowledge.

Limp Brisket · 11-19-2012, 11:28 AM

Academy Sports has stores in your area, go there and buy a bag of Pecan, Hickory, Oak or whatever you like and burn it. This will go a long ways in telling you if it's your current fuel source or not.

Full Draw BBQ · 11-19-2012, 01:20 PM

I agree with the guys above.....and I'll add this.....I chased temps and had a lot of smoke also until I built a charcoal basket. A large bag of lump to start in the basket brings the pit up to temp, or close, then I start adding split pecan or fruit logs on top of that. Gets me back to a good clean, hot burning fire.

Williefb · 11-19-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Draw BBQ

I agree with the guys above.....and I'll add this.....I chased temps and had a lot of smoke also until I built a charcoal basket. A large bag of lump to start in the basket brings the pit up to temp, or close, then I start adding split pecan or fruit logs on top of that. Gets me back to a good clean, hot burning fire.

I like that. I think I will do the same.

Terry The Toad · 11-19-2012, 06:02 PM

This question pops up fairly frequently... this is a post I wrote (and saved for such occasions):

Ideally, you want to cook with hot coals. However, with a stick burner (at least with mine) - when you're cooking low and slow - you are gonna have to add a stick every 30-45 minutes or so.* Which means you will be cooking with coals and occasionally some flame.

I start my fire about an hour before I plan to put on meat. I load the firebox with a lot of wood and a little charcoal. I put on some lighter fluid and light it.

I leave all vents open and leave the firebox door open. After about 45 minutes, the fire should be roaring. That's when I close the firebox door. Wait about 10 minutes: the smoker will get HOT - 350 or so. That's when I put on the meat and turn the dampers to almost closed. It takes me about 10 minutes or so of fiddling with the cooking chamber door and dampers to get it to my desired temp (which is usually around 250.)

When you add more wood, you need to give it some air so the split will catch fire (Otherwise it will smoke too much.) Yes, the temp usually jumps a bit then. So, I mind the doors and dampers for a little while until things settle again.

A stickburner is more work. But, I like my results (and so do most of the people I have fed.)

* Lately I've been adding really small splits (hardly bigger than kindling) about every 20-30 minutes. It requires a little more monitoring, but the temps don't jump so much doing it that way. It also minimizes the white smoke.

Williefb · 11-19-2012, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry The Toad

This question pops up fairly frequently... this is a post I wrote (and saved for such occasions):

Ideally, you want to cook with hot coals. However, with a stick burner (at least with mine) - when you're cooking low and slow - you are gonna have to add a stick every 30-45 minutes or so.* Which means you will be cooking with coals and occasionally some flame.

I start my fire about an hour before I plan to put on meat. I load the firebox with a lot of wood and a little charcoal. I put on some lighter fluid and light it.

I leave all vents open and leave the firebox door open. After about 45 minutes, the fire should be roaring. That's when I close the firebox door. Wait about 10 minutes: the smoker will get HOT - 350 or so. That's when I put on the meat and turn the dampers to almost closed. It takes me about 10 minutes or so of fiddling with the cooking chamber door and dampers to get it to my desired temp (which is usually around 250.)

When you add more wood, you need to give it some air so the split will catch fire (Otherwise it will smoke too much.) Yes, the temp usually jumps a bit then. So, I mind the doors and dampers for a little while until things settle again.

A stickburner is more work. But, I like my results (and so do most of the people I have fed.)

* Lately I've been adding really small splits (hardly bigger than kindling) about every 20-30 minutes. It requires a little more monitoring, but the temps don't jump so much doing it that way. It also minimizes the white smoke.

That sir is a great tutorial. Just like a wood stove, you really don't get the good heat until you get a good big bed of coals. I got it.

sassage · 11-20-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Williefb

That sir is a great tutorial. Just like a wood stove, you really don't get the good heat until you get a good big bed of coals. I got it.

good except the lighter fluid part

Lake Dogs · 11-20-2012, 02:21 PM

I do the same as the Toad, EXCEPT I'll use a weber chimney to light a bunch of charcoal, and only when the chimney load is fully to coals to I thrown them on the bed
of unlit charcoal and splits in the firebox. No lighter fluid. Some people enjoy the flavor,
I happen to find it disgusting.

captndan · 11-20-2012, 03:11 PM

Slab is the first cut on a log. It is mostly bark. Harvested logs are green not aged. The slab being the youngest part of the log will contain dirt, bugs, and all kinds of baddies. The sawmill gives it away just to get rid of something they can't sell. For your stick burner you want dry splits. Hope this helps.

Williefb · 11-20-2012, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captndan

Slab is the first cut on a log. It is mostly bark. Harvested logs are green not aged. The slab being the youngest part of the log will contain dirt, bugs, and all kinds of baddies. The sawmill gives it away just to get rid of something they can't sell. For your stick burner you want dry splits. Hope this helps.

That explains a lot. I understand.

11-19-2012, 06:50 AM	#1
Williefb Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 05-18-11 Location: Middle TN	Fire Control / Lang 60 I bought a Lang 60 a couple of months ago and the learning curve for me on this rig is a bit different than my UDS. What I seem to notice is the presence of a lot more smoke than I ever saw with my UDS in fact with the UDS I could hardly tell if it was burning or not. I'm using charcoal to get a bed of coals and adding dry and seasoned hickory to get the temp up and backing into the cooking temp but I still seem to be getting more smoke than I should be. Many of the hickory pieces are slabs and none are huge chunks. The pinwheels on the side are open and the damper on the stack is open. If you have some suggestions you could pass along for fire management I would be most appreciative. __________________ Willie

11-19-2012, 08:10 AM	#2
colonel00 Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-03-10 Location: Shawnee, KS	Sounds like your Lang is broken. I will be happy to take it off of your hands for disposal Now, are you warming your wood before adding it? I know many people will set the wood on top of the fire box to let it get warm before adding it as this can help it burn quicker and cleaner. Are you getting smoke all of the time or just when you add wood? Do you ever get thin blue smoke? Notice the difference from the one on the left to the one on the right. __________________ Brad [URL="https://www.instagram.com/bradsimmons00/"]Some of my photos on Instagram [/URL] [SIZE=1][I][COLOR=red]Proud owner of the PentaZero[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE] :whoo: [B][COLOR=red]WWWWFBBQADD[/COLOR][/B] [B]0 out of 1 members found this post helpful[/B] :thumb: “I dream of a better tomorrow, where chickens can cross the road and not be questioned about their motives.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

11-19-2012, 09:27 AM	#5
BBQ Bandit Babbling Farker Join Date: 02-15-08 Location: Harrisburg, PA	Agree with the above advice - the slabs have got to go... away from your firebox. Properly dried wood splits will give you a big difference with flavor and the return to the desirable Thin Blue Smoke by maintaining a small and hot burning fire. There are also videos available on Ben Lang's site, too. Ben Lang demonstrates starting a fire in a Lang 36 - YouTube The NEW "How To Start a Fire" - YouTube Note that he uses splits on the smaller 36 model, too. __________________ Custom Klose Backyard Chef... of Snot, and a 22.5 WSM Former smokers; Lang 84 Deluxe kitchen, Lang 60 Mobile - The Damsel II, Lang 48 Patio - The Damsel, Bubba Keg Grill - RIP, Double Barrel Smoker and a BSKD Last edited by BBQ Bandit; 11-19-2012 at 09:49 AM..

11-19-2012, 11:28 AM	#7
Limp Brisket Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 07-20-09 Location: Native Texan	Academy Sports has stores in your area, go there and buy a bag of Pecan, Hickory, Oak or whatever you like and burn it. This will go a long ways in telling you if it's your current fuel source or not. __________________ Custom Pig Rotisserie, KCBS CBJ, Ace Of Spades BBQ Team

11-19-2012, 01:20 PM	#8
Full Draw BBQ Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 03-22-11 Location: Frisco, TX	I agree with the guys above.....and I'll add this.....I chased temps and had a lot of smoke also until I built a charcoal basket. A large bag of lump to start in the basket brings the pit up to temp, or close, then I start adding split pecan or fruit logs on top of that. Gets me back to a good clean, hot burning fire. __________________ [B]Full Draw BBQ[/B] [B]Frisco, TX[/B] Lang 60D trailer [COLOR=darkorange][B]Orange[/B][/COLOR] Thermapen 22.5 Weber Kettle - retired Gateway 55 gallon Clone X2

11-19-2012, 08:17 AM	#3
captndan Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-29-11 Location: Greeneville TN	It's the fuel. Slab has lots of junk in it besides wood. It will never burn clean.

11-19-2012, 09:02 AM	#4
Smokin' D is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 12-11-07 Location: N. Andover, MA	I have a Lang 48 and start things as you do with a chimney or more of lump charcoal and two or three splits on top of that. Vents fully open, firebox door ajar and the chamber door open for about ten minutes. Close the chamber door and let it go for a few minutes then close the fire box door. Watch the temps and adjust the vents as necessary. When the cooker is up to temp, there is typically just 1 vent open about 1/2 way. I also put a stick or two on top of the fire box to warm up before they go in the fire. The smoke will be different that on a drum, ie more visible, but the flavor from that smoke will be smoother and more subtle. The smoke should still be a pale bluish though. If by slabs you mean the thin outer slices of a log with a lot of bark and little real wood, that could be your problem. Small splits the size of your forearm and about 13" long work real well for me.

11-19-2012, 06:02 PM	#10
Terry The Toad is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 08-16-11 Location: Saint Cloud, FL	This question pops up fairly frequently... this is a post I wrote (and saved for such occasions): Ideally, you want to cook with hot coals. However, with a stick burner (at least with mine) - when you're cooking low and slow - you are gonna have to add a stick every 30-45 minutes or so.* Which means you will be cooking with coals and occasionally some flame. I start my fire about an hour before I plan to put on meat. I load the firebox with a lot of wood and a little charcoal. I put on some lighter fluid and light it. I leave all vents open and leave the firebox door open. After about 45 minutes, the fire should be roaring. That's when I close the firebox door. Wait about 10 minutes: the smoker will get HOT - 350 or so. That's when I put on the meat and turn the dampers to almost closed. It takes me about 10 minutes or so of fiddling with the cooking chamber door and dampers to get it to my desired temp (which is usually around 250.) When you add more wood, you need to give it some air so the split will catch fire (Otherwise it will smoke too much.) Yes, the temp usually jumps a bit then. So, I mind the doors and dampers for a little while until things settle again. A stickburner is more work. But, I like my results (and so do most of the people I have fed.) * Lately I've been adding really small splits (hardly bigger than kindling) about every 20-30 minutes. It requires a little more monitoring, but the temps don't jump so much doing it that way. It also minimizes the white smoke. __________________ Lang 48 Original Superfast [COLOR=red]RED[/COLOR] ThermaPen "I love animals. I just love to eat them more. Fun to pet; better to chew." - Jim Gaffigan

11-20-2012, 02:21 PM	#13
Lake Dogs Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 07-14-09 Location: Lake Sinclair, GA Name/Nickname : Hance	I do the same as the Toad, EXCEPT I'll use a weber chimney to light a bunch of charcoal, and only when the chimney load is fully to coals to I thrown them on the bed of unlit charcoal and splits in the firebox. No lighter fluid. Some people enjoy the flavor, I happen to find it disgusting. __________________ Hance - MiM/MBN/GBA CBJ and comp cook Lake Sinclair, GA (strategically about an hour from darn near anywhere) My competition daze are probably behind me now; I pretty much cook for family, friends, and frankly the peace and solitude I get from smokin' on an offset... Was Lang 84DX, now Bubba Grills 250R and many Weber grills

11-20-2012, 03:11 PM	#14
captndan Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-29-11 Location: Greeneville TN	Slab is the first cut on a log. It is mostly bark. Harvested logs are green not aged. The slab being the youngest part of the log will contain dirt, bugs, and all kinds of baddies. The sawmill gives it away just to get rid of something they can't sell. For your stick burner you want dry splits. Hope this helps.