** Bylaw change regarding Family members serving on BOD on November 12 KCBS BOD agenda. - Page 3

Scottie · 11-12-2008, 03:08 PM

I do agree Steve that Randy has his rights to submit the Petition. But what he wants to do is take something away from me and I would have no say or voice.

I do think it's a big deal though. Let's say that for some reason this is brought up for a vote at the meeting. And the board decides to vote yea or nay... The by-laws would be re-written for something that is probably not favored by the majority of the KCBS membership.

Whether is was right or wrong to bring this Petition up. I do not see how it brings the KCBS membership together as one? All I see this doing is splintering the KCBS membership.

As I got to hear a whole new side out in Arizona this last weekend.

I just urge the Board to not take it up for consideration and/or a vote.

YankeeBBQ · 11-12-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottie

I do agree Steve that Randy has his rights to submit the Petition. But what he wants to do is take something away from me and I would have no say or voice.

I do think it's a big deal though. Let's say that for some reason this is brought up for a vote at the meeting. And the board decides to vote yea or nay... The by-laws would be re-written for something that is probably not favored by the majority of the KCBS membership.

Whether is was right or wrong to bring this Petition up. I do not see how it brings the KCBS membership together as one? All I see this doing is splintering the KCBS membership.

As I got to hear a whole new side out in Arizona this last weekend.

I just urge the Board to not take it up for consideration and/or a vote.

I have faith the BOD will do the right thing. I guess we'll know eventually.....

Scottie · 11-12-2008, 03:25 PM

I hope so too Steve. All it takes is one BOD member, I am assuming to bring it to a vote. If I remember how robert's work...

Bentley · 11-12-2008, 03:43 PM

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If this is the entire petition, sans those that signed it...I do not see Nepotism mentioned anywhere in this petition. Wonder who started that this was about Nepotism?

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Originally Posted by Scottie

I just do not see how this can be a representation of KCBS members. I never received any email or no one ever talked to me about signing this petition. So how does this represent me and my KCBS? To me, this "Petition" should not even be recognized by the Board. As I do not understand how the membership is represented by the few that signed this "Petition"...

It is a representation of the KCBS members that submitted it. One would hope if there is a required amount of KCBS members needed to bring a petition to the BoD, that someone is verifing who sign it and that they are valid members.

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Originally Posted by Scottie

I do think it's a big deal though. And the board decides to vote yea or nay... The by-laws would be re-written for something that is probably not favored by the majority of the KCBS membership. I urge the Board to not take it up for consideration and/or a vote.

This is when you and other members will see if your voice is truly heard by YOUR BoD.

drbbq · 11-12-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LindaM

Here is a copy of the petition with the names removed

It says he needed them by November 2nd.
Why the urgency?

If this truly isn't about Merl he should have taken his time to get many more signatures.

Stoke&Smoke · 11-12-2008, 04:37 PM

I haven't seen this question asked. Was there a space on the petition for the signers KCBS member #?

I not, than I would suggest that the petition is meaningless. If you aren't a dues paying member, your signature is worthless.

Ford · 11-12-2008, 05:32 PM

At the most the BOD can agree to vote on it next month if they want to change the by-law. 1 months notice is in the by-laws for change and that's assuming Decembers meeting is more than 30 days after this months.

Of course the BOD can just agree that it is a small sample of the members and can agree to not consider the petition. End of story.

In any event Merl has been accepted as a candidate so any attempt now to change the rules would obviously be a direct action aimed at him. If they want to change the by-laws and grandfather people in that are already on the BOD, they can do that and I'm fine.

Diva · 11-12-2008, 06:44 PM

I'm done reading all this crap. Nepotism wasn't mentioned in the thing. I don't see how anyone is 'losing any of their ''rights'' as a member'......some people have an 'issue' its being heard, as it should. Everyone bitches about 'are we being heard', 'are they listening to us'.....obviously, the entire board is listening. What they do with it..it's up to them, that's why they were elected with the votes from the membership.

Sometimes, you have to read between the lines. Who's wanting people to believe what? Why? Who benefits from all this hub bub? The damn things out here, we can see it for ourselves. Interpretation is what you make it.

BBQchef33 · 11-12-2008, 11:01 PM

The board has voted it down.

4 in favor

7 against.

Case closed.

Vince RnQ · 11-12-2008, 11:18 PM

I'm happy to learn that result. It would appear that all voices were heard, both in favor of and against the issue, and the Board acted in accordance with the make up of the membership.

I thank those Board members who took the time to reply to my e-mail regardless of whether we agreed or disagreed on the issue.

jminion · 11-13-2008, 12:53 AM

What needs to be looked at and remembered who wanted to take away member's choices. Wayne Lohman presented the motion, second from Steve Ownby with Tana Shupe and Paul Kirk voting in favor.

BBQchef33 · 11-13-2008, 01:08 AM

Yup, and so I know where one vote is NOT going.

drbbq · 11-13-2008, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jminion

What needs to be looked at and remembered who wanted to take away member's choices. Wayne Lohman presented the motion, second from Steve Ownby with Tana Shupe and Paul Kirk voting in favor.

No surprises there. Thanks to the other members for having the sense to vote this down.

Cue's Your Daddy · 11-13-2008, 06:23 AM

Maybe i should know, but who is Randy Bigler?

ThomEmery · 11-13-2008, 08:06 AM

Looks like the majority gets it
But your right Jim
We have work to do

11-12-2008, 03:08 PM	#31
Scottie Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 11-03-06 Location: Chi-Town	I do agree Steve that Randy has his rights to submit the Petition. But what he wants to do is take something away from me and I would have no say or voice. I do think it's a big deal though. Let's say that for some reason this is brought up for a vote at the meeting. And the board decides to vote yea or nay... The by-laws would be re-written for something that is probably not favored by the majority of the KCBS membership. Whether is was right or wrong to bring this Petition up. I do not see how it brings the KCBS membership together as one? All I see this doing is splintering the KCBS membership. As I got to hear a whole new side out in Arizona this last weekend. I just urge the Board to not take it up for consideration and/or a vote. __________________ cancersuckschicago.com FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA BBQ TOUR Red Jambo one off FE 100 FEC 100 WSM Homer Simpson 22 " Weber Kettle Red 18 1/2" Weber Kettle Black 26 3/4" Weber Kettle

11-12-2008, 03:25 PM	#33
Scottie Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 11-03-06 Location: Chi-Town	I hope so too Steve. All it takes is one BOD member, I am assuming to bring it to a vote. If I remember how robert's work... __________________ cancersuckschicago.com FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA BBQ TOUR Red Jambo one off FE 100 FEC 100 WSM Homer Simpson 22 " Weber Kettle Red 18 1/2" Weber Kettle Black 26 3/4" Weber Kettle

11-12-2008, 04:37 PM	#36
Stoke&Smoke Babbling Farker Join Date: 12-18-07 Location: Western burbs of Chicago, IL	I haven't seen this question asked. Was there a space on the petition for the signers KCBS member #? I not, than I would suggest that the petition is meaningless. If you aren't a dues paying member, your signature is worthless. __________________ 2 Skinny Cooks Competition Team [URL]http://2SkinnyCooks.blogspot.com[/URL] KCBS CJ/TC #17139 Member ILBBQS Too many cookers to list :crazy:

11-12-2008, 05:32 PM	#37
Ford is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 04-14-07 Location: Lakeland Florida	At the most the BOD can agree to vote on it next month if they want to change the by-law. 1 months notice is in the by-laws for change and that's assuming Decembers meeting is more than 30 days after this months. Of course the BOD can just agree that it is a small sample of the members and can agree to not consider the petition. End of story. In any event Merl has been accepted as a candidate so any attempt now to change the rules would obviously be a direct action aimed at him. If they want to change the by-laws and grandfather people in that are already on the BOD, they can do that and I'm fine. __________________ Ford Retired competition cook. BBQ mentor.

11-12-2008, 11:01 PM	#39
BBQchef33 Grand Poobah and Site Admin Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: Long Island, NY Name/Nickname : Phil	The board has voted it down. 4 in favor 7 against. Case closed. __________________ Site Administrator and Grand PooBah CBJ with a Fuzzy Blue Hat, 18 Foot Competition Trailer, Customized Klose BYC, Custom Built Shirley built to feed our Veterans(A.K.A "Abrams"), 1 Double Barreled Lang 84, 1 Heavily Modified Bionic Bandera, 1 Custom Super Medium Stickburning Spicewine w/stoker, 2 XL BGE, 1 Mini BGE, 2 Pit Barrel Cookers, 3 WSMs, 3 Weber Kettles, an NB Hondo, A Modified Brinkman Horizontal, DCS 48" Grill, a Broilmaster P3, a Blackstone 36 and 17, a covered, pellet pooping FEC100, and our duck died. :( News Flash: "A mans worth is judged by the weight of his integrity " You know your getting older when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy Smoke on KC. WWW.BBQ-BRETHREN.COM

11-12-2008, 06:44 PM	#38
Diva is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 05-30-07 Location: Kansas City, MO	I'm done reading all this crap. Nepotism wasn't mentioned in the thing. I don't see how anyone is 'losing any of their ''rights'' as a member'......some people have an 'issue' its being heard, as it should. Everyone bitches about 'are we being heard', 'are they listening to us'.....obviously, the entire board is listening. What they do with it..it's up to them, that's why they were elected with the votes from the membership. Sometimes, you have to read between the lines. Who's wanting people to believe what? Why? Who benefits from all this hub bub? The damn things out here, we can see it for ourselves. Interpretation is what you make it.

11-12-2008, 11:18 PM	#40
Vince RnQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 09-09-07 Location: Phoenix, AZ	I'm happy to learn that result. It would appear that all voices were heard, both in favor of and against the issue, and the Board acted in accordance with the make up of the membership. I thank those Board members who took the time to reply to my e-mail regardless of whether we agreed or disagreed on the issue. __________________ Rhythm 'n QUE Our Website On Facebook A Few Great Moments in RnQ History 1st Place Chicken at The Jack 2012 GC at the Inaguaral Sam's Club Invitational The Double Grand Championship

11-13-2008, 12:53 AM	#41
jminion is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 07-07-04 Location: Federal Way WA	What needs to be looked at and remembered who wanted to take away member's choices. Wayne Lohman presented the motion, second from Steve Ownby with Tana Shupe and Paul Kirk voting in favor. __________________ Jim www.twoloosescrewsbbq.com Ole Hickory EL/EDx WSM Primos Klose couple of Ranch kettles

11-13-2008, 01:08 AM	#42
BBQchef33 Grand Poobah and Site Admin Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: Long Island, NY Name/Nickname : Phil	Yup, and so I know where one vote is NOT going. __________________ Site Administrator and Grand PooBah CBJ with a Fuzzy Blue Hat, 18 Foot Competition Trailer, Customized Klose BYC, Custom Built Shirley built to feed our Veterans(A.K.A "Abrams"), 1 Double Barreled Lang 84, 1 Heavily Modified Bionic Bandera, 1 Custom Super Medium Stickburning Spicewine w/stoker, 2 XL BGE, 1 Mini BGE, 2 Pit Barrel Cookers, 3 WSMs, 3 Weber Kettles, an NB Hondo, A Modified Brinkman Horizontal, DCS 48" Grill, a Broilmaster P3, a Blackstone 36 and 17, a covered, pellet pooping FEC100, and our duck died. :( News Flash: "A mans worth is judged by the weight of his integrity " You know your getting older when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy Smoke on KC. WWW.BBQ-BRETHREN.COM

11-13-2008, 06:23 AM	#44
Cue's Your Daddy is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 03-13-06 Location: Ronkonkoma, Long Island	Maybe i should know, but who is Randy Bigler? __________________ Paul GOTHAM CITY GRILLERS BBQ TEAM "Cue's Your Daddy! BBQ TEAM" KCBS Certified Judge Custom built Smoker Big Green Egg/2 WSM/4 Webber Kettles Webber Gasser

11-13-2008, 08:06 AM	#45
ThomEmery Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-20-05 Location: Indio Ca.	Looks like the majority gets it But your right Jim We have work to do __________________ Catering, Contests, and Community Service Team What Wood Jesus Que? Www.bbqthom.com

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