Selling pork butt to a restaurant

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Just wanted to see if anyone has been asked to see to a restaurant and what they have charged for pork butt. I have been asked to provide 6 - 8 butts a week and still working on a cost. Currently paying $1.60 - $1.75 a pound and then you have the cost of making it. Any suggestions?
 
Do you have an inspected commercial kitchen to cook in? If not it’s illegal.
 
I do not but can cook at the restaurant for sure. Thanks for the feedback as I am uncertain on a few things
 
I do not but can cook at the restaurant for sure. Thanks for the feedback as I am uncertain on a few things

Call the local health department. Just start there as it will make life easier.

You can't just walk into someone's kitchen and cook legally without be an employee or licensed contractor, etc. So simply call the health department as they have all the right answers and are there to help :-D.

If you just want straight pricing info without legal ramifications that is cool and there is also a Catering and Vending part of the forum for ideas on pricing.
 
There is much more to it than what you are paying for raw meat. You will have roughly 50% loss by the time it is cooked. Then you have the cost of seasonings, cooking fuel, packaging, gas for going and buying ingredients, and going to and from the restaurant, and then there is how much you think your time is worth. You should start by researching how to calculate food costs, if you don't know how to do that, you won't know what to charge and be profitable.

As others have mentioned, you should check out local laws on selling perishable food, before going down this road. There are a lot risks, selling illegally, and there is a lot of expense to to do it legally. If you can cook at the restaurant, I would just tell the guy, to buy the supplies, and hire you to work for him once a week to cook. Then you can just quote him an hourly wage for doing the work.
 
Call the local health department. Just start there as it will make life easier.

You can't just walk into someone's kitchen and cook legally without be an employee or licensed contractor, etc. So simply call the health department as they have all the right answers and are there to help :-D.

If you just want straight pricing info without legal ramifications that is cool and there is also a Catering and Vending part of the forum for ideas on pricing.

This is the ticket.

My city has some weird regulations for businesses. For example a guy I know that owns a restaurant and was approved for catering remote locations wanted to sell BBQ on Friday and Saturday only at the restaurant (some to go by the pound). However he was not allowed to cook on his trailer mounted smoker in the parking lot without several permits... health department and fire department because they said that would have been a permanent location.

The same guy owned a supply company in an adjoining town 6 miles from his restaurant, and he was legal to cook on his pit there (because he was an approved caterer), as long as the meat was prepped in an approved kitchen, and clean-up in an approved kitchen.... which he had at the restaurant.
 
As other have pointed out, you should contact the local health department and see where to start.



Some States / Counties require a NSF rated smoker to cook in, even if it's at the restaurant. You should also consider Insurance issues, one person claims they got ill and you could lose everything.


Not to burst your bubble, but Here is some additional food for thought....




Without being incorporated as a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC), having food service liability insurance, all the proper permits, licensees, certifications, and required inspections, that you are taking a huge financial risk without limits.

No one should engage in the food business without being incorporated as a legitimate business. Without being incorporated you and all of your assets owned by you and your family are up for grabs in a lawsuit. Incorporating separates you and your personal assets from those of the recognized corporate entity. In a lawsuit they can sue the corporation but cannot come after you unless you blatantly caused harm as an individual.

By ignoring these and not investigating the legal requirements for any event, you are putting yourself at a great risk. Ignorance of the laws and regulations are not a defense, in fact it will just help to build a stronger case against you if something should go wrong. More importantly, something doesn't actually have to go wrong, one only needs to claim they got ill from your food.



First: Are you incorporated as a Limited Liability Corporation?

Second: Will you be operating within State, Local, and Health Department regulations?
Do you have a business license, a food handlers permit, and will you prepare the food in a health department approved and inspected commercial kitchen?

Third: Do you have the proper liability insurance to cover you and the patrons?

Fourth and lastly... are you Serve-Safe Certified?


Be aware that without these qualifications and being fully covered with insurance, you are taking a huge huge risk both personally and financially.

Without proper procedure and requirements, there are too many risks and not enough rewards. What legal ramifications are you willing to endure should this become an issue of someone getting ill?
Trying to sneak past the "government" can lead to way too many bad things for you. This is a risk that anyone with common sense should never consider taking.

How much of your personal assets are you willing to risk due to food-borne illness issues should they occur?
Or if someone claims they became ill sometime after eating your food. If a civil suit is brought against you because of this claim, you could lose your home, your savings, everything you own, and even your investments.

It might be difficult to prove with a single case, but what if someone who handles the food in the chain accidentally contaminates something. You will have more than one case from the event. Then you have an unlicensed food handler, who is not using a state approved and inspected kitchen, and who has failed to get all the required permits, certifications, licenses, and local inspections.

It's not just the fines and penalties from the state and local authorities for operating illegally, but when you have a civil suit filed the tables turn. Just the fact that you ignored all the required permits, licenses, certifications, and inspections are stacked against you. Couple that with many states who do not elect judges, but rather politically appoint them; then you can have an inexperienced judge in law who has their own interpretation or opinion of the law to deal with. Some of these appointed judges do not know the law and will make decisions based on personal opinions.

As stated above the extreme fines and penalties imposed by the state, county, and local authorities can't be argued in a court of law, ignorance of them just isn't a feasible defense. Then which can be exorbitant, even if they can't prove the case. This is why many corporations find it easier just to settle out of court than run the legal gamut.

You also have many corporations that have tried to fight a case of stupidity in court and have lost millions trying to win. Look at the case of a patron who ordered hot coffee and drank it while operating a motor vehicle. Consequently they spilled hot coffee on themselves as a direct result of their own personal action. Yet a good lawyer put the blame on the corporation, and they successfully sued for over a million dollars. Common sense does not prevail in a litigious society.

My intent is not to discourage you, but to point out the possible ramifications of this type of event without the proper "coverage", "licenses", "certifications" and "permits".

Some think they have a legal defense because:

Some would say that they are doing this as a hired hand and they should be covered under the companies / organizations insurance policy. Not true, unless you are getting a weekly paycheck and paying into workman's compensation, disability insurance, state and federal taxes, then you are not an employee. If you are paying these taxes you could be considered an employee, but you could also be held personally liable as a co-defendant because you used your personal equipment to cook the food.

Secondly if you are using your own equipment to cook with, many states view this as a sub-contractor status where YOU are responsible for all of your own permits, licenses, and liability insurance. So again, you have legal fees to defend a lawsuit, coupled with fines and penalties imposed by the state, county, and local authorities.

Most importantly, if you do this for a friend you trust, they may not sue you, but then you have to worry about the many others who will be in attendance. Some might be looking for an easy way to make a quick buck. How luck do you feel?

But yet others will claim being free from everything because they are selling food by the tray. However unless you are legally licensed to sell cold / frozen foods, then you have lost control of the food until it was served;
You are responsible to properly prepare, maintain, and/or serve food fit for human consumption.
You are responsible to properly take the temperature of the food at the time of service.
You are responsible to ensure all persons were wearing gloves while prepping and serving the food.


It may be a one in a million case that someone becomes ill, but we live in a litigious society today. People make false claims all the time in an effort to sue for personal gain. If you are prepared to risk it ALL then go ahead. Otherwise walk away until they do the necessary diligence to cover them self.


This is a totally different thing than just cooking great BBQ for your family in your back yard for personal friends.

If you want to go into business then take the appropriate steps. If not the be prepared to accept all possible consequences.

It only takes one to claim you made them ill...... Think of Clint Eastwood in "Dirty Harry" - How Luck do You Feel Today?

http://wcti12.com/news/nation-world...ny-after-guests-at-wedding-reception-got-sick

https://www.syracuse.com/news/index...s_caterer_after_guests_get_violently_ill.html




As far as food preparation;
The kitchen in which food is prepared is subject to the Uniform Building Construction Code. To my knowledge, all 50 states use this code and even expand further upon it with even more local regulations. In general, the Uniform Building Code states: any kitchen that is used to prepare food that is not served immediately on premises must be to current local health codes. Also be aware that all parts of the building that has access to the kitchen must also meet those codes, not just the kitchen area.

A few other states allow for certain uses if your "APPROVED" kitchen is separate from the home, where you cannot pass from the approved kitchen into the home. In other words, you must completely leave the kitchen structure (pass outside) to access the the house, then you could possibly have that kitchen approved. This is not always the case, it is dependent upon your local authorities.


BBQ sold to the public goes under different rules than BBQ that is sold to a retailer that is resold. If you are selling to a retailer that is then reselling the food, you need to meet the USDA FSIS regulations and have to have a approved USDA facility and are subject to USDA sampling.


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Wow. That all sounds just too hard.

Here's how it looks to me. Our OP is a backyarder who's impressed some local restaurant owner with his pork butts. The restaurant owner wants a small supply to put some pulled pork sammiches on the menu without having to get a smoker in his kitchen or something like that. So, the OP is wondering what he should charge for supplying this owner (on the side, cash in hand, no questions asked) for 6 to 8 butt's a week... which even for a backyarder with a smallish smoker is easy peasy.

Now I realise that regulation and litigation in the States is a thing, but realistically this is just basic free enterprise at it's simplest. WHAT should he charge on that basis if he decides to make an offer and not consider all this stuff above? ... which to be honest is enough to scare me out of doing it at all.

Cheers!
 
Wow. That all sounds just too hard.

Here's how it looks to me. Our OP is a backyarder who's impressed some local restaurant owner with his pork butts. The restaurant owner wants a small supply to put some pulled pork sammiches on the menu without having to get a smoker in his kitchen or something like that. So, the OP is wondering what he should charge for supplying this owner (on the side, cash in hand, no questions asked) for 6 to 8 butt's a week... which even for a backyarder with a smallish smoker is easy peasy.

Now I realise that regulation and litigation in the States is a thing, but realistically this is just basic free enterprise at it's simplest. WHAT should he charge on that basis if he decides to make an offer and not consider all this stuff above? ... which to be honest is enough to scare me out of doing it at all.

Cheers!

The easy answer is look at what the local bbq market is selling for.
 
good info for the OP above...

I sell our bbq wholesale to a local pub; however, my business is licensed as a restaurant at the same address. We use it as our commissary. Lately pork has been anywhere from $1 to $1.45ish for us. We charge $7.50 per lb to the pub. BUT we also don't pay any rent or fees to use the place.
 
good info for the OP above...

I sell our bbq wholesale to a local pub; however, my business is licensed as a restaurant at the same address. We use it as our commissary. Lately pork has been anywhere from $1 to $1.45ish for us. We charge $7.50 per lb to the pub. BUT we also don't pay any rent or fees to use the place.

$2.00 -$2.90 a pound, you are giving it away.
 
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