KCBS TOY Survey

[Smokin' Joe]

I see they have a new survey on the KCBS site asking for feedback on changes to the TOY race. I'm not sure where I stand on this...at first I thoguht they have a weighted average of every competition entered by a team to help even the field between teams that cook 10 comps and teams that cook 35 comps, but I see holes in that too now....your thoughts?

KCBS - Team of the Year online survey


Please help better KCBS

We are asking your opinion as a KCBS cook on the topic of Team of the Year. As a cook you are directly affected by how Team of the Year is run. We want this to be as fair as possible so that all KCBS cooks have the opportunity to win the title of Team of The Year.

This survey does not suggest nor guarantee that the current Team of The Year format is going to change.

This survey will run through Nov 30, 2009





Are you a cook on a KCBS team? *


Do you agree with the current scoring system for Team of the Year (TOY)? * The current system may be reviewed at http://www.kcbs.us/rankings.php



Do you think the current scoring system for TOY allows all members the same opportunity to win TOY? *



Would you like to see Divisions? *



Should we have more than one TOY? * Sponsored and Non-Sponsored



Should there be monetary prizes awarded to the TOY? *

[Ron_L]

Thanks, Joe. I'll head over there and add my $.02

I think some way to even things out between the occasional cook and the guys who cook 30+ times would be great, but I'm not sure how to do it. Maybe divisions? I don't know.

[ThomEmery]

I have proposed divisions that are location based
6 separate races by location/ Team count in the area
(KC MO would be a small geographical area, The Pacific West would be huge)
This would be for non sponsored teams
Best 7 to 10 scores TBD

Then leaving the Touring Pros Division as it is

[MilitantSquatter]

Originally Posted by ThomEmery

I have proposed divisions that are location based
6 separate races by location/ Team count in the area
(KC MO would be a small geographical area, The Pacific West would be huge)
This would be for non sponsored teams
Best 7 to 10 scores TBD

Then leaving the Touring Pros Division as it is

How would you propose sponsored teams be verified / tracked ?

Is the team who gets a few free bottles of rub, sauce etc. equally sponsored to the team who gets some something believed to be more valuable , hangs a banner etc. ?

[ThomEmery]

The Touring Pro Div. is the National KCBS ToY as we know it now
The Regional Champs are, just that Guys that just cant or do not want to travel
A Head Cook would have to declare for whichever race he wanted to cook in
prior to the start of the season

[ThomEmery]

Yes I would think state boarders would be best for dividing lines
A region would be made up using Number of contests, number of cooks,
in a given area to create a "average"
The Northwest and Texas are huge KCBS "deadzones"
They would be added in as best they can
Yes there are regional or state organizations that have similar contests
But I doubt well maybe New England But most others would be smaller in landmass
The KCMO Crown would be one heck of a race in a relatively small area
The MidSouth Race also
The Pacific 10 West could end up being just that, 10 states

[Jacked UP BBQ]

There win are many teams in the NE that could win this but there are not comps within an hour of their houses everyweek all year round. A few New england teams and 3 eyz from maryland consistantly whoop ass but only do say 15 contests but the guy that does 30 and who is usually in the middle of the road and maybe wins one contest will win because of the way the numbers work. If a team can only afford to do 3 comps a year and they kick ass in everyone, should they have no chance of winning team of the year? I am not sure about that, there should be a minimum of around 10 imo. They def need to re do the way the system works

[Jorge]

One organization/One Champion. I can understand the need to draw a line based on the # of contests cooked and recognize those that don't travel however. Drawing geographic borders and having multiple champions....seems redundant and waters down the pool.

Hell, it's hard enough for elected officials to draw the lines for us to vote after a census. I'm not asking the BoD to get into that.

Pick a # and draw the line, but I want to see anyone willing to travel to cook against the best competition available on any given weekend rewarded.

[MilitantSquatter]

Originally Posted by OC PIG ASSASSINS

There win are many teams in the NE that could win this but there are not comps within an hour of their houses everyweek all year round. A few New england teams and 3 eyz from maryland consistantly whoop ass but only do say 15 contests but the guy that does 30 and who is usually in the middle of the road and maybe wins one contest will win because of the way the numbers work. If a team can only afford to do 3 comps a year and they kick ass in everyone, should they have no chance of winning team of the year? I am not sure about that, there should be a minimum of around 10 imo. They def need to re do the way the system works

The current TOY scoring is based on your best 10 contest placings.. Any contests over 10 are only accretive to the difference of your lowest score now being dropped.

[Buster Dog BBQ]

Well, by looking at the top 10 KCBS overall, each of them are listed on The Pickled Pig's site as a top 25 for most grands in a year. So it seems like things are working.

How do you do regions? There are several teams that travel around the country and win.

[MilitantSquatter]

I took a look at the teams with 4 or more GC's this year to see what their "win %" was

Regardless of team count which KCBS currently factors in, what stands out for me here is that Lo N Slo has the best winning % at 40% but they are currently ranked 22. To put it in perspective, the KCBS 8th ranked team, Quau, has a .117 win % with same # of GC's but gets higher placing for # of teams competed against.


6 wins
Smoke on Wheels 6 of 18 (.333) KCBS # 7
Iowa's Smokey D's BBQ 6 of 20 (.300) KCBS #2
Pellet Envy 6 of 23 (.260) KCBS # 1

5 wins
JP Custom Smoke 5 of 24 (.20 KCBS # 11
Muchin Hogs at the Hilton 5 of 28 (.17 KCBS #3
4 Legs Up BBQ 5 of 29 (.172) KCBS #4

4 wins
Lo N Slo BBQ 4 of 10 (.400) KCBS #22
Great Grills O Fire 4 of 13 (.307) KCBS #21
I Smell Smoke 4 of 15 (.266) KCBS #13
Pork Pullin Plowboys 4 of 16 (.250) KCBS # 14
Butcher BBQ 4 of 22 (.181) KCBS # 5
Quau 4 of 34 (.117) KCBS # 8

[ThomEmery]

I am proposing adding another level
The Touring Pro ToY Champion is clearly the National Champion
The Regional Champs give folks another option
It would be fun to see the Regional Champions in a year end face off event

[MilitantSquatter]

Originally Posted by ThomEmery

I am proposing adding another level
The Touring Pro ToY Champion is clearly the National Champion
The Regional Champs give folks another option
It would be fun to see the Regional Champions in a year end face off event

Tom - I'm with Jorge.. one org = one winner. To me it's more a matter of ensuring the best method to include the most # of teams.. While I still don't know if 10 contests is the magic #, it appears to be working.. I was skeptical at first but I think it works.

I don't think a regional contest would work with so few teams.. plus they'd have to travel to get somewhere which was the opposite of what qualified them to win regionally.

[Jorge]

Originally Posted by ThomEmery

I am proposing adding another level
The Touring Pro ToY Champion is clearly the National Champion
The Regional Champs give folks another option
It would be fun to see the Regional Champions in a year end face off event

How realistic do you think that is? They are all qualified for the Royal, one or all of them may qualify for the Jack. If they aren't already traveling, what inducement other than some sort of showdown do they have?

If ALL of them don't show up, then what do you have?

I'm not seeing the benefit in the big picture.

[Plowboy]

Apparently, someone isn't up on current events.

Pork Pullin Plowboys 5 of 17 (.294) KCBS # 11?