Yoder YS1500 moving on steep gradients

DevilsGrill · Dec 17, 2018

Took delivery of my YS1500 a few weeks ago and am still trying to figure out how to move the damn thing from my garage down my steep block and into my verandah!

One of my purchase decisions was due to its "manoeuvrability" but upon arrival I soon realised this thing is an absolute bear to move around even on flat concrete :shocked:

Id also like the ability to be able to get it up and down easily when required and be able to move it around if I ever decide to use at local markets/fairs etc.

So I think I may have found a solution so have just installed a 2000lbs winch which should assist with pulling up slopes/onto trailers and other stuff. Also just assembled a electric dolly for moving caravans that im hoping I can use to assist pulling the Yoder along grass or other surfaces that would be back braking otherwise.

pjtexas1 · Dec 17, 2018

That should work. I need that trailer dolly!

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Big George's BBQ · Dec 17, 2018

Nice work Congrats and Enjoy your new toy

Mike Twangzer · Dec 17, 2018

Nice ... i'd like to see that in action..

HankB · Dec 17, 2018

Just remember that the coefficient of static friction is higher than the coefficient of dynamic friction. That's another way of saying that if traction is lost and this 'tug' starts to slip, it's going to continue to slip.

I think I would opt for something with a little more weight like this.

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Piggysquealers · Dec 17, 2018

On grass a winch to something fixed is a way bettee option than a lawn tractor. There is literally no way for the wheels to slip

jasonjax · Dec 17, 2018

I've often times wondered why on heavier units manufacturers don't offer some form of self-propelled option. I wouldn't think it would be terribly hard to implement.

BillN · Dec 17, 2018

I think your winch is the way to go.

DevilsGrill · Dec 17, 2018

jasonjax said:
I've often times wondered why on heavier units manufacturers don't offer some form of self-propelled option. I wouldn't think it would be terribly hard to implement.

Me too! My original (preferred) ided was to find motorised 10" castors and simply swap these out with the ones that came with the smoker but after searching high and low could not find anything suitable apart from some 10" hub motors which wouldn't have worked due to there lack of gearing.

HankB
Thanks and as your a man who seems to understand the physics behind all this is it true that pulling a 600lbs object across a flat surface would equate to it being effectively double for a vertical lift? I need to make a ramp for the set of 5 steps the Yoder needs to go over which will be fairly steep (maybe 30-40 degrees) so am trying to work out what pulling power is required so assuming that the above is true then would pulling up a ramp of this gradient effectively mean the load increases by approx 50% (i.e.900lbs)?

Bigdog · Dec 17, 2018

I agree with BillN.

HankB · Dec 17, 2018

DevilsGrill said:
HankB
Thanks and as your a man who seems to understand the physics behind all this is it true that pulling a 600lbs object across a flat surface would equate to it being effectively double for a vertical lift? I need to make a ramp for the set of 5 steps the Yoder needs to go over which will be fairly steep (maybe 30-40 degrees) so am trying to work out what pulling power is required so assuming that the above is true then would pulling up a ramp of this gradient effectively mean the load increases by approx 50% (i.e.900lbs)?

I think I misunderstood your original plans. The motor/wheel thing should be fine on level ground. On a slope of 45° the tension on the cable will be about (600lb)/1.4 => 430lb.
But you are far safer if you provide a multiple of that capacity. Better too much than not enough. That also assumes a straight pull (parallel to the ramp.) As you move away from parallel the required tension will go up. Rolling resistance in the wheels will also add tension. That's why you overbuild the winch.

Also make absolutely certain that the ramp cannot move.

DevilsGrill · Dec 22, 2018

Houston.....We have lift off!

Finally figured out a simple, non invasive way of hitching up the tug to the Yoder comprising of a 50mm bar U-bolted to the cross members of the chassis and a smaller detachable 40mm bar that contains the tow hitch.I now have substantial weight over the tug wheels enabling much better traction than I had previously. Also now doesn't rely on those annoying front castors that just don't want to swivel in the direction you want with the new pivot point being the tow hitch.

Pug-N-Monk's BBQ · Dec 22, 2018

DevilsGrill said:
Houston.....We have lift off!

Finally figured out a simple, non invasive way of hitching up the tug to the Yoder comprising of a 50mm bar U-bolted to the cross members of the chassis and a smaller detachable 40mm bar that contains the tow hitch.I now have substantial weight over the tug wheels enabling much better traction than I had previously. Also now doesn't rely on those annoying front castors that just don't want to swivel in the direction you want with the new pivot point being the tow hitch.

Good on ya, Mate! :clap2:

Mike Twangzer · Dec 22, 2018

Looking at what you came up with .... kinda reminds me of a segway .... that would be cool .... hitch it up to a segway and off ya go.

Mikhail · Dec 22, 2018

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Congratulations! you've given birth to a .....winch! :clap2:

Big N Hot · Dec 22, 2018

I know the struggle! I just had my wife help me tow my 1200 Lang back into the garage. I'm spent.

Nuco59 · Dec 22, 2018

Luckily (or unluckily), my pocketbook will never allow me to be in a position where I have to rig something to move a monster like this.

Looks like you have it whipped - good job!

DevilsGrill · Dec 29, 2018

Managed to get the Yoder into position (after nearly 4 weeks). The winch I installed worked fabulously to the point where I think they should at least be an optional extra when purchasing.

Mike Twangzer · Dec 29, 2018

Did you go DOWN those steps ?

DevilsGrill · Dec 29, 2018

Mike Twangzer said:
Did you go DOWN those steps ?

I did. Made up a ramp using the timber roof from the pallet the Yoder came on. Not my best engineering effort but seemed to do the job ok.

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