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06-18-2019, 09:17 AM | #136 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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06-18-2019, 09:45 AM | #137 | |
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I guess we are dictated by mob rule now.
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06-18-2019, 09:46 AM | #138 |
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Can anything be learned by listening to him? When you debate him, the story changes on what the purpose of the seating system is based on the point you make.
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06-18-2019, 10:28 AM | #139 | |
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That being said, training is the real issue, and the only way that we'll have long term improvement is by improving the training that judges receive, combined with a seating system that will decrease the likelihood (you'll never remove them) of TOD/TOA. If you're not doing both, you're not going to have the results you want long term.
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06-18-2019, 02:29 PM | #140 |
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When %75 of judges only judge 1-2 contests a year there is no data that can be relied on. And if there was, what's the goal? The creator of the current system says that it wasn't designed to eliminate TOD or TOA's. Then what's the purpose? What's the problem that this is supposed to be a solution to?
Anything is a better idea than seating by scoring average. The southwest shuffle was still better than that. The issue is a small handful of ****ty judges. We had one last weekend in montana. Some lady that had declared herself the best outdoor cook in the country and everyone else's bbq sucked, wrote everyone worthless comment cards and gave us bad scores. Granted it didn't matter, there were only 4 tables but rest assured, this idiot will be judging again.
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06-18-2019, 02:32 PM | #141 | |
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If it's the same as our chicken table, that was the worst one.
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06-18-2019, 03:26 PM | #142 |
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My bet is she was on table 315.
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06-18-2019, 03:29 PM | #143 |
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It would if you hit the table twice
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06-18-2019, 03:41 PM | #144 |
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If all judges played by the same mentality when it came to judging (i.e. starting at a 7 and going up or starting at a 9 and going down), then it wouldn't matter what the seating program was. You can't control taste buds or the quality of the entry that hits a given table on any given day, but if everyone played by the same set of procedures or best practices, then you provide the best possible outcome for all teams to be judged equally. When a judge tells a cook after a contest that they will never give a team a perfect score if there are only 6 pieces of chicken are in a box, then that is a problem and that is a judge playing by a different set of rules.
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06-18-2019, 03:48 PM | #145 | |
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The biggest issue in KCBS judging is there is no accountability or consequences for breaking the judging rules / guidelines.
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06-18-2019, 04:24 PM | #146 | |
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...... or a judge that tells you they never have or never will give anyone a 9. Heard it more than once.
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06-18-2019, 04:30 PM | #147 | |
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You will still get judges that say they will never give someone a 9, and when that happens, KCBS needs to make sure they revoke their judging certification. |
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06-18-2019, 05:44 PM | #148 | |
On the road to being a farker
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If you hear that at a contest I'm Repping, I would appreciate you telling me. Except in Gettysburg, you're on your own there. lol
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06-19-2019, 07:28 AM | #149 | |
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Why would you not call the Rep over explain what she said and request her removal? It (Shi**y judges) can change but it will take an effort instead of just shaking your head and posting stories. Ed
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06-19-2019, 09:06 AM | #150 | |
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