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07-15-2013, 11:51 AM | #31 | |
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or pork for us ha ha.... its ok, i can see this causing some table bashing and such, but hey more ways to blame others for my failure to cook is always a good thing right ?? lol ha ha...
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07-15-2013, 11:58 AM | #32 | |
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07-15-2013, 12:01 PM | #33 |
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Look at each sheets breakdown, next to the judges scores. You, for instance, never landed on table 2.
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07-15-2013, 12:02 PM | #34 |
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If you look on the individual sheets for each meat it will show to the right of each team what table they were on.
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07-15-2013, 12:13 PM | #35 |
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so when is this to be rolled out across KCBS? Sure wish we had ours from the 3 we've done so far!
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07-15-2013, 12:27 PM | #36 |
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This past weekend was the first time we've seen them. I'm sure you'll see it now when you compete KCBS. It was full of great information for us to analyze our scores.
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07-15-2013, 12:27 PM | #37 |
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07-15-2013, 12:28 PM | #38 | |
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I think it is farking awesome. I learned more the past two days pouring over the score-sheets than I have the past five years. Thank you KCBS!
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07-15-2013, 12:48 PM | #39 | |
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The new KCBScore appears to accomplish what it set out to do. It gives the teams more context about their scores. Sean had some good observations about our rib scores and having that info available is valuable to the teams as we ponder the questions about why we got the scores we did. Did we hit a bad table or a good one? Do we have a problem with what we turned in it not? Was a generous table masking a problem we do have? The new system does give us insight we didn't have before.
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07-15-2013, 12:54 PM | #40 | |
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Its unlikely that across four categories all the table winning entries are out of the top 10. But for a single category it should be expected. A great improvement. |
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07-15-2013, 01:02 PM | #41 |
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I competed at this same contest last weekend as Lotta Bull.
From the printout, Lotta Bull was placed on Table 13 twice. With 78 teams this should not happen. Table #13 was the highest scoring table with 7 top ten calls. This information is provided on the score sheets. Table numbers for 1st-10th of each catagory CK, 4, 2, 3, 12, 7, 9, 2, 2, 11, 12 RI, 1, 1, 12, 8, 4, 13, 13, 11, 1,13 PK, 2, 13, 5, 4, 3, 7, 1, 12, 13,13 BK, 10,12, 5, 8, 1, 13, 8, 12, 2, 1 Top 10 calls by table. Table 1, calls 6 Table 2, calls 5 Table 3, calls 2 Table 4, calls 3 Table 5, calls 2 Table 6, calls 0 Table 7, calls 2 Table 8, calls 3 Table 9, calls 1 Table 10, calls 1 Table 11, calls 2 Table 12, calls 6 Table 13, calls 7 My entries landed on tables 9, 5, 6, 10; the 4 lowest scoring tables for top 10 calls. The lowest scoring judge was Judge 1, on Table 9 with average of 25.1633. On chicken this judge gave us 6,6,7 = 25.1428 The other judges #2 9,8,8 = 32.56 #3 9,9,9 = 36.00 #4 8,8,7 = 30.8572 #5 9,8,8 = 32.5600 #6 9,8,9 = 33.7028 His/her score appears to be completely out of line with the other judges. Here are all of the scores this judge gave out for the day: CK= 28.5600, 34.8800, 25.1428, 28.0000, 20.0000, 26.2972 RI = 29.1428, 25.1200, 19.4400, 24.0000, 15.3828, 18.2972 PK= 19.4400, 29.1428, 25.1200, 24.0000, 15.3828, 18.2972 BK= 27.4400, 27.4172, 32.0000, 29.7028, 30.2972, 24.0000 This judge should be on KCBS's radar. We were told at the cooks meeting. The blind number will no longer be on the print out. Are using the new 2013 scoring weights. Comments cards have been temporary stopped. The Judge Average Score is from all 4 catagories. KCBS will be tracking judges. |
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07-15-2013, 02:10 PM | #42 |
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I completely agree. I think in this case you can clearly see the trends of different tables. Just as table 4 seems to be on the low end of the scoring, Table 2 seems to be the on the upper end. I think it sucks that my stuff it table 4 and its more personal but I'm not sure that I'm not more upset table 2 was what appears to be an "easy" table. I think it's more unlikely that table happens to have at least 2 of the 5 best cooked entries in each category.
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07-15-2013, 02:18 PM | #43 | |
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07-15-2013, 02:41 PM | #44 | |
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07-15-2013, 02:53 PM | #45 |
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As a judge I think this is what I was looking for when I first became one - how do I stack up in my opinions versus that of my table mates? Am I scoring a point or two high across the board? Am I scoring a point or two low across the board? It would have been helpful to know early on rather then having my scores be off kilter to those other judges at my table.
I would have liked to have seen my scores from my first say 10 events versus those at my table for comparison. Would have possibly sped me up to being in tune to other maybe more experienced judges. As for comment cards - I like them as a judge. I feel I can at least tell a team why I gave them a score that may not be to that of the other judges for whatever reason it may be. This eliminates me from ever being referred to as Judge 6. I can point out that the rib I selected was overdone, my brisket burnt end was all gristle or fat, my chicken piece was mushy, my pork was tough and dry, whatever the reason MY selection may not have been the same as the other 5 judges and thus my marking down on your entry. I am NOT judge 6. You may be team 6 for putting a less then stellar piece of meat in the box and I unfortunately had the bad luck of getting it. I have also filled out a card for a perfect score and told them thanks for making this what it was for me to judge today. Yes my 9's told them I loved all aspects of it. But a note also to say thanks. And also sometimes a 8 or a 7 will get a card from me to just point out what they could have done to bring it to a high score. "Loved the tenderness and appearance. And love spice but this was a little bit more than needed for this entry. Took away from the meats taste". So I hope the comment cards do come back as for right now these new scoring systems tell you that you got a 9 - 6 - 8 or a 8 - 6 - 5 but none of that tells you why. |
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