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11-27-2013, 12:03 AM | #151 | |
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From page 2 of this thread (with a few tweaks to fit the new rule):
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11-27-2013, 12:34 AM | #152 |
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The BOD has spoken. The could have made it 7 lbs, but they did not. The SNF cut is legal.
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11-27-2013, 06:23 AM | #153 |
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As I see it, there are two practical applications with the new rule:
1) Separating the MM from the rest of the pork when it reaches a certain temperature and leaving the rest of the pork on the cooker. 2) Reheating parts of the pork (MM or otherwise) prior to the turn in. If people want to cheat or twist the rules however they see fit, I'm sure they will and I'm sure they have already been doing so.
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11-27-2013, 06:30 AM | #154 |
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So, with this new rule change for 2014, are the folks who are trimming MM but leaving "in tact" by leaving a sliver of fat cap attached cheating or legal?
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11-27-2013, 06:49 AM | #155 | |
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verb verb: trim; 3rd person present: trims; past tense: trimmed; past participle: trimmed; gerund or present participle: trimming
I would ask the question that begs an answer, why change the rule that was not enforced to another rule that lessens the likely hood that it needs to be enforced? |
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11-27-2013, 06:57 AM | #156 | |
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11-27-2013, 09:27 AM | #157 |
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Forwarded to the Board, we'll see where it goes.
Steve
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11-27-2013, 09:32 AM | #158 |
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Thank-you Steve!!
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11-27-2013, 10:05 AM | #159 | |
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If however you are talking about some other type of pork that would fit the KCBS definition, then I would be curious to know more.
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11-27-2013, 10:07 AM | #160 | |
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PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Boston Roast, Picnic and/or Whole Shoulder, weighing a minimum of four (4) pounds at time of inspection. After trimming, pork shall be cooked whole (bone in or bone out), however, once cooked, it may be separated and returned to the cooker at the cook's discretion. It may be turned in chopped, pulled, chunked, sliced or a combination of any of those." Says Boston Butt, Boston Roast , Picnic and/or whole shoulder. Where does it say Pork Collar or SNF Euro Cut pork roast ? Cheat if you want, you probably won't get caught but if you do remember somebody got banned for 3 years just for wearing a penis apron.
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11-27-2013, 10:14 AM | #161 |
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Makes perfect sense to me, I'll forward Rub's suggestion to the board.
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11-27-2013, 10:19 AM | #162 |
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Actually it doesn't. The fact that you used the word 'parts' in this sentence says it all. Your parting. In the rule it says the pork must be cooked whole. Once you start removing any muscles from the butt it is no longer whole. It is just part of a pork butt. Trimming is removing unwanted fat and maybe a little meat to get a uniform shape. While your trimming ask yourself...self if I remove this PART of the butt is it still a whole pork butt. Then when it dawns on you that no it will no longer be a whole pork butt leave it on.
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11-27-2013, 10:54 AM | #163 | |
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As some one who can read, the part that I find interesting is that the rule specifically says that the cut of meat must weigh 4 lb at the time of inspection, not when being placed in the cooker, and it mentions trimming between inspection/weighing and cooking. The way it's worded, I think it practically encourages people to start out with a "whole" cut and trim away whatever they don't want, whether it's excess or entire muscle groups. Lots of ways to resolve this including allowing it, changing the pre-cook weight, the max-trim weight, or just saying "cheaters will cheat." I suppose the other question is, at what point does trimming the cut turn it into an illegal cut? I think I heard that there are seven muscle groups in a Pork Butt? Must all seven remain for the cut to be legal and cookable? You aready allow bonless cuts, which convert a 405 to a 405A, and a 406 to a 406A, but you don't allow a long cut shoulder which would be a 403A rather than a 403. There I go geeking out and losing people again. Even still, people can be load 3 lb pieces of meat into their cookers on January 1 the way I read that. Okay, I'll go back to my corner now. dmp |
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11-27-2013, 11:25 AM | #164 | |
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11-27-2013, 11:44 AM | #165 | |
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Another example - I go to the butcher to get butts and they don't have any, All they have are whole shoulders. I don't have time to trim it before going to the contest. I arrive and get the whole shoulder inspected (12 lbs). I then skin and trim it down to a butt-ish looking chunk - Trimming or butchering/breaking down? By your definition of trimming after inspection this would be illegal.
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