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Q-talk *ON TOPIC ONLY* QUALITY ON TOPIC discussion of Backyard BBQ, grilling, equipment and outdoor cookin' . ** Other cooking techniques are welcomed for when your cookin' in the kitchen. Post your hints, tips, tricks & techniques, success, failures, but stay on topic and watch for that hijacking. |
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12-29-2012, 08:20 PM | #31 |
Babbling Farker
Join Date: 07-31-12
Location: St. Louis Missouri
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Good conversation guys. A healthy debate. Love it!
Bassman, what STL comp were you in?
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12-29-2012, 08:22 PM | #32 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 10-29-11
Location: Chicagoland
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3 choices-
1. WSM (18.5 or 22.5) 2. Akorn kamado (its a grill that does a great job smoking and like all kamados is extremely efficient, but some people don't care about this) 3. UDS Any of these 3 would be a good choice. If you want a dedicated smoker, go with 1 or 3.
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12-29-2012, 09:03 PM | #33 |
Found some matches.
Join Date: 11-21-12
Location: Madison, MS
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I have two WSM 22's and have been really happy with how easy and consistent they are to cook with. I am glad I bought them. They should last me until I can talk my wife into letting me buy a Backwoods Competitor. Which will be awhile....
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Pair of 22.5" WSM's with Pitmaster IQ 110's Homemade rolling prep table with sink |
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12-29-2012, 09:06 PM | #34 | |
Quintessential Chatty Farker
Join Date: 07-14-09
Location: Lake Sinclair, GA
Name/Nickname : Hance
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Hopefully we didnt say anything contrary to this. Great quality smokers dont make great quality BBQ; experience (aka. practice, practice, practice) does. But, like Bandit said, it's about his 3 factors (I cannot see them here), but things like learning curve really play into it. I'm probably the goofus that mentioned competition first. My point wasnt that he could or should compete (or not), but that the smoker is good enough that some quality competitors use them with very good success. Not me, mind you, I prefer my heavy-as-hell Lang, but that wasn't what he was asking. I think I understand the guy, because 20 years ago I was there. I wish I'd purchased the WSM then... I'd have saved a lot of money wasted on mediocre equipment and meat ruined. Going a little higher in money, look to the very versatile cookers like Acorn, Primo, BGE, Bubba Keg, etc. They're darned good smokers and darned good grills (and please understand that smoking and grilling are quite different). Then, towards the upper end of those prices you begin to get into the prices of (IMHO) worthwhile offset smokers and some cabinet smokers. And up, and up, and up.... :-)
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Hance - MiM/MBN/GBA CBJ and comp cook Lake Sinclair, GA (strategically about an hour from darn near anywhere) My competition daze are probably behind me now; I pretty much cook for family, friends, and frankly the peace and solitude I get from smokin' on an offset... Was Lang 84DX, now Bubba Grills 250R and many Weber grills |
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12-29-2012, 09:19 PM | #35 | ||
is one Smokin' Farker
Join Date: 11-26-12
Location: Saint Louis MO
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12-29-2012, 11:08 PM | #36 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 07-14-06
Location: Wyocena/Pardeeville, WI
Name/Nickname : Clark
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I cut my teeth in BBQ on a Brinkman Cimmaron offset. It's 1/4" steel, welded firbox. I have had it since the late 90's. Back then they were about $800 - $900 new. My dad bought it for me for Christmas. Even with the heavy steel and welded construction, it took some modifications to get it to work well. I cooked some kicka$$ BBQ on that pit and really learned about fire control, thin blue, and a host of other lessons.
Now take a look at my signature. I own 2 offsets (1 I bought because it needed to be saved from a slow death due to neglect) and I own 10 WSMs. Does that tell ya something? (Other than I'm a WSM hoarder) Can you cook great Q on a small, inexpensive offset? Yes, if you don't mind tending to the pit every 30 - 60 minutes. Can you cook great Q on a WSM out of the box? Yes, and when you have learned the WSM you can tend the fire every 12 - 16 hours. There is something special about cooking on an offset, and I commend you for thinking about getting one. But it all comes down to one thing: VALUE. When you spend your $300 on a pit, what's the best value? For you, the desire to cook on an offset may outweigh the need for long cook times. Therefore, the offset would be a better value for you. If long, unattended cooks are your goal, then spending your $300 on a WSM would be the better value. Did I make sense? Anyway, us Weber guys have a saying: "Buy the best, and only cry once." BTW, at my first comp, cooking on the oldest WSM in the world, I placed 6th in pork and 5th in brisket. Since then I have placed second in pork and first in brisket, all cooking on WSMs.
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Clark My Boys: Joseph (EI); Andrew (EE); Daniel (EE) My Toys: 10 WSMs (B, C, E, DH, DA, EZ, DZ, EO, DU, DR); 5 - 22.5" Bar-B-Q-Kettles; 2 - 18.5" Bar-B-Q-Kettle; 4 WGAs (EZ, DE, N, B); 2 SJPs ( DR, DR); 2 Smokey Joes (A, K); Brinkman Cimmaron. "For when democracy becomes tyranny, those of us with rifles still get to vote" |
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12-30-2012, 08:01 AM | #37 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 07-07-09
Location: Newark, OH
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New smokers...I'd say no. If you're lucky you might find an old New Braufels on CL for that price range. I love cooking on my 2 offsets, and in my opinion the flavor from an offset is tough to beat. But for smaller cooks, I use my 22.5 WSM. For your price range, you will not find a better NEW smoker than a WSM.
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- [B]Kevin[/B] Team: [B]Smitty's Real Pit BBQ[/B] KCBS CBJ [B]Superior SS-3[/B] - Courtesy of Gainesville Jaycees and Superior Smokers Custom Built Reverse Flow Stickburner [B]Weber[/B] 22.5" WSM [B]Weber[/B] 26.75" OTG [B]Weber[/B] Blue 2000 Stainless Performer [B]Weber[/B] Red 1998 Stainless Performer |
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12-30-2012, 09:45 AM | #38 |
Babbling Farker
Join Date: 07-31-12
Location: St. Louis Missouri
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I'll have to look for that. I drive through Valley Park on my way to work.
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12-30-2012, 11:34 AM | #39 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 07-07-09
Location: Newark, OH
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Here is one for $200. A little rehab will go a long way.
http://columbus.craigslist.org/hsh/3413967626.html
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- [B]Kevin[/B] Team: [B]Smitty's Real Pit BBQ[/B] KCBS CBJ [B]Superior SS-3[/B] - Courtesy of Gainesville Jaycees and Superior Smokers Custom Built Reverse Flow Stickburner [B]Weber[/B] 22.5" WSM [B]Weber[/B] 26.75" OTG [B]Weber[/B] Blue 2000 Stainless Performer [B]Weber[/B] Red 1998 Stainless Performer |
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12-30-2012, 11:43 AM | #40 |
Babbling Farker
Join Date: 01-20-10
Location: Monterey, CA
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Get the WSM. Dont get a cheap-o offset, too much of a headache for me. If I were to get an offset, it would be a Lang 36 or something in that category. I started off on a Brinkmann offset and it was just a pita, made some kick ass Q, but just a hassle. Leaks galore, thin metal etc.
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12-30-2012, 07:22 PM | #41 | |
is one Smokin' Farker
Join Date: 11-26-12
Location: Saint Louis MO
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Okay, hi-jack over!
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18" OTS, 22" OTG, SJ Silver, Cimarron Offset, Coleman Bullet, PBC, UDS, QMaster ATC |
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01-01-2013, 01:14 PM | #42 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 08-15-12
Location: Irish Hills, MI
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Just build a UDS and save yourself the headache of tending a fire like you're running a steam locomotive.
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