Can we give up on the slow n sear argument already???

[gtr]

Originally Posted by smoke ninja

why doesn't everyone agree with me

I was wondering the same thing...

[razorbrewer]

This whole conversation is pointless. The market sets the price. Clearly David is selling enough SNS's at the current price point to make ends meet. Otherwise, he's doing it wrong.

[frankenfab]

I had one in clearance in my cart late one night for $45 or so, and before I could complete the checkout, it went it of stock. I was so bummed out!

[Whitewookie]

I don’t ever understand these post bashing things.

I’ve never used one and do fine with bricks.

However, if I wanted to try one, you can bet you’re favorite body part I would. And I wouldn’t care one whit what people thought if I determined it worked.

I regularly seek advice from people, like y’all, that know more about something than I do, but if I want to give something a shot, I will.

Now, if somebody starts with something like “My experience is....” then fine... They’re just trying to help, but all the bashing is ridiculous....

VR,
Harold


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[frankenfab]

Nice day for a...white Wookiee.......dun dun dun dun

[Lynn Dollar]

I think the fella that made the vid, could've gone about it in a bit " nicer " way. It would've been better received and he could've made more friends. But I don't think that he cares about making friends. His over the top, slam dunk the ball in the end zone, and then taunt the opponent doesn't set well with many, me included.


But he used a scientific method. He accounted for details. He backed up his rant with solid fact. If anyone can dispute his findings, they should do what he did. He may have saved a lot of people $125. I wasn't likely to buy one, but I definitely won't now. I like people who save me money.



I don't buy anything without doing research. I like to hear from other's who have had experience with the product. But it has to be objective opinion, which is really hard to find , these days. People endorsing a product because the seller gave them one, pretty much taints their opinion.



The only problem I can find with Meathead's video, is he seems to be too emotionally invested in proving the SnS is a gimmick.

[ssv3]

His video won't stray the potential buyers of the SnS one bit. It just makes the non-buyers feel good about themselves. Again, they weren't going to buy one anyway and this guy validates it for them. Making life decisions over a $125 product. Some folks have too much time in their hands.

Hobo said it well, for me it's the values of just dumping charcoal in, easy clean up with the pan catching all the grease especially chicken grease to keep things clean and searing. Cleanliness is really important to me even in BBQ so that there alone justifies the cost.

[smoke ninja]

one undeniable plus is that it shields the bowl from the high heat of banking coals.

my bowl looks like this after years of cooking this way.



now it doesn't bother me, I've had the performer for 5 years and paid $40. it's at least ten years old and I'd wager it has about ten more in her. it's the same reason I cant justify a cover. now if I had a vintage or more collectible kettle it would be well worth it.

[HOBONICHOLBBQ]

Originally Posted by ssv3

His video won't stray the potential buyers of the SnS one bit. It just makes the non-buyers feel good about themselves. Again, they weren't going to buy one anyway and this guy validates it for them. Making life decisions over a $125 product. Some folks have too much time in their hands.

Hobo said it well, for me it's the values of just dumping charcoal in, easy clean up with the pan catching all the grease especially chicken grease to keep things clean and searing. Cleanliness is really important to me even in BBQ so that there alone justifies the cost.

There is some backstory here between Dave and Meathead. Full disclosure, I am internet friends with Meathead, internet friends with Baby Back Maniac, and I've talked to Dave once on the phone about nothing to do with this series of videos. Long story short, Meathead kept asking questions to Dave on his videos in his comment sections. At some point I think Dave got tired of Meathead pestering him with questions and questioning whether the SNS actually meets its claims to fame and told Meathead to put up or shut up. That all being said, I don't have a horse in this race and like all three people involved (Justin really isn't even involved but some of the commentary goes through the videos he did with Dave) but felt I needed to shed some light of the tone that people don't like from meathead. I am not justifying it just giving some context.

[ssv3]

I saw your "do you need a slow n sear?" video and actually liked it because you're not bashing on a product but expessing your opinion instead.

It makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying it.

Originally Posted by HOBONICHOLBBQ

There is some backstory here between Dave and Meathead. Full disclosure, I am internet friends with Meathead, internet friends with Baby Back Maniac, and I've talked to Dave once on the phone about nothing to do with this series of videos. Long story short, Meathead kept asking questions to Dave on his videos in his comment sections. At some point I think Dave got tired of Meathead pestering him with questions and questioning whether the SNS actually meets its claims to fame and told Meathead to put up or shut up. That all being said, I don't have a horse in this race and like all three people involved (Justin really isn't even involved but some of the commentary goes through the videos he did with Dave) but felt I needed to shed some light of the tone that people don't like from meathead. I am not justifying it just giving some context.

[HOBONICHOLBBQ]

Originally Posted by ssv3

I saw your "do you need a slow n sear?" video and actually liked it because you're not bashing on a product but expessing your opinion instead.

It makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying it.

Thanks, I think you are in a handful of people who saw it that way. Honestly that video didn't turn out the way I had intended it to.

Dave via Justin actually sent me one of the original ones without a bottom back in March I think. As much as I tried to like it and experience something that alternated my cooking experience, it just doesn't benefit me for what I do. There is nothing wrong with it. I had to change my vent settings compared to how I normally set them but once you learn the nuances it works.

I have had ten months to look back on things. Lost a lot of fellow youtube friends from that video and now I think over time have gained most back. That all being said, I think there is hype on both sides of the discussion, pros and cons to whether you use one or not, but at the end of the day my real intent of that video was for the "new guy" who has never had a kettle to understand that you can cook low and slow with just the kettle itself.

I think sometimes we folks who have cooked for a few years and longer assume that that is basic knowledge anyone would know from the beginning. Through forums / facebook / real life conversations it became very eye opening to me how many people may have never grown up around charcoal or are just plain ignorant to the basics of grilling and smoking. The things most of us take for granted as common knowledge they don't understand or have trouble grasping.

YouTube can be a very dangerous place for those looking for knowledge because the top ranked video for whatever you are looking for doesn't have to be factual to be number 1. The only thing it has to do is have a nice thumbnail that gets people to click on it more often than others. Since I have a behind the curtain perspective if you will on the cooking community on YouTube I will tell you there are plenty of channels that are popular but the person you are watching knows very little about what they are doing.

[70monte]

Originally Posted by Sillius Sodus

This of course begs the question...is it possible to make an “informed” decision without actually trying the product?

Can I rely on the reporting of Consumer Reports about any given product to know that a given product sucks, or must I purchase one myself to find out “for sure” and only then be able to comment on it?

Do I have to actually purchase and use a Weber grill to know that it’s really an awesome product, or can I rely on the testimony of others to make an “informed” opinion and comment on it myself?

Folks are quick to point out when someone hasn’t used or owns a product that they’ve voiced an opinion on, but is actual usage or ownership required in order to make an “informed” opinion?

Of course there’s always exception to every rule, but I’m speaking in the general sense here...

Without trying something out yourself, you are only getting other people's opinions on a product. If most of the reviews are positive, you can probably deduce that the product is good to the majority and you can decide from that if you want to take the chance on buying it yourself in the hopes that you will like it as well.

Most of the stuff I have is based on what other people's views are about it. Some of the stuff I have liked and others I have not. People like different things and have had different experiences with them. Just because I like something does not mean you will like it and vice versa.

I will say that I don't take the views of people who have never owned the product they are talking about very seriously since they have no first hand knowledge about what they are talking about.

[Whitewookie]

Originally Posted by frankenfab

Nice day for a...white Wookiee.......dun dun dun dun

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[dadsr4]

Originally Posted by HOBONICHOLBBQ

Thanks, I think you are in a handful of people who saw it that way. Honestly that video didn't turn out the way I had intended it to.

Dave via Justin actually sent me one of the original ones without a bottom back in March I think. As much as I tried to like it and experience something that alternated my cooking experience, it just doesn't benefit me for what I do. There is nothing wrong with it. I had to change my vent settings compared to how I normally set them but once you learn the nuances it works.

I have had ten months to look back on things. Lost a lot of fellow youtube friends from that video and now I think over time have gained most back. That all being said, I think there is hype on both sides of the discussion, pros and cons to whether you use one or not, but at the end of the day my real intent of that video was for the "new guy" who has never had a kettle to understand that you can cook low and slow with just the kettle itself.

I think sometimes we folks who have cooked for a few years and longer assume that that is basic knowledge anyone would know from the beginning. Through forums / facebook / real life conversations it became very eye opening to me how many people may have never grown up around charcoal or are just plain ignorant to the basics of grilling and smoking. The things most of us take for granted as common knowledge they don't understand or have trouble grasping.

YouTube can be a very dangerous place for those looking for knowledge because the top ranked video for whatever you are looking for doesn't have to be factual to be number 1. The only thing it has to do is have a nice thumbnail that gets people to click on it more often than others. Since I have a behind the curtain perspective if you will on the cooking community on YouTube I will tell you there are plenty of channels that are popular but the person you are watching knows very little about what they are doing.

Excellent video. The only thing you left out was the "you can just shake it and save the unburned charcoal" claim.
There are few people who can not pick up and shake a charcoal grate. Which I've done for a lot of years, including when I had carpal tunnel surgery and had my dominant arm in a sling.