MMMM.. BRISKET..
The BBQ BRETHREN FORUMS.  



Our Homepage Donation to Forum Overhead Smoke Signals Magazine Welocme Merchandise Associations Purchase Subscription Amazon Affiliate
Go Back   The BBQ BRETHREN FORUMS. > Discussion Area > Q-talk

Notices

Q-talk *ON TOPIC ONLY* QUALITY ON TOPIC discussion of Backyard BBQ, grilling, equipment and outdoor cookin' . ** Other cooking techniques are welcomed for when your cookin' in the kitchen. Post your hints, tips, tricks & techniques, success, failures, but stay on topic and watch for that hijacking.


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-22-2020, 08:03 AM   #31
ModelMaker
Babbling Farker
 
ModelMaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-21-06
Location: Lake Ponderosa-Montezuma, IA
Default

The obvious name is "Meat Mansion"
Ed
__________________
Designer of a custom drum smoker
Customized Aussie gas passer
Turkey fryer
Extremely seasoned hand hammered Wok
Pit Boss-HART BURN Competition BBQ Team
KCBS certified judge


And Your not the boss of me either!!
ModelMaker is offline   Reply With Quote


Thanks from:--->


Old 02-22-2020, 08:15 AM   #32
SirPorkaLot
Quintessential Chatty Farker
 
Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
Name/Nickname : John
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ModelMaker View Post
The obvious name is "Meat Mansion"
Ed


That’s one of my favorites too
__________________
John: Sir Porkalot BBQ Team
*Humphrey’s Pint Elite*COS Stickburner *Weber Performer*Baby WSM (14.5")*Various Weber Kettles*Cast Iron Cue-Grill*Blackstone Griddle
Co-Owner of Naturiffic.com <<Shop here>>
SirPorkaLot is offline   Reply With Quote


Old 02-22-2020, 10:07 AM   #33
SirPorkaLot
Quintessential Chatty Farker
 
Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
Name/Nickname : John
Default

Progress photo

__________________
John: Sir Porkalot BBQ Team
*Humphrey’s Pint Elite*COS Stickburner *Weber Performer*Baby WSM (14.5")*Various Weber Kettles*Cast Iron Cue-Grill*Blackstone Griddle
Co-Owner of Naturiffic.com <<Shop here>>
SirPorkaLot is offline   Reply With Quote


Old 02-22-2020, 10:33 AM   #34
Mike Twangzer
is One Chatty Farker
 
Join Date: 06-20-14
Location: Moorpark Californis
Default

Do not .... fall off that ladder.... or ..... let one of those beams smack you on the head....
Mike Twangzer is online now   Reply With Quote


Thanks from:--->
Old 02-22-2020, 11:28 AM   #35
AUswimKC
Knows what a fatty is.
 
Join Date: 08-15-19
Location: Roswell, GA
Name/Nickname : AUswimKC
Default

So....uh.....ummmm.....uh..... I think you need a better foundation than those blocks. One for downward load. But especially for upward. You’re effectively building a sail
AUswimKC is offline   Reply With Quote


1 members found this post helpful.
Old 02-22-2020, 12:27 PM   #36
ronbrad62
Babbling Farker

 
ronbrad62's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-16-16
Location: Johns Creek, Ga.
Name/Nickname : Ron
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AUswimKC View Post
So....uh.....ummmm.....uh..... I think you need a better foundation than those blocks. One for downward load. But especially for upward. You’re effectively building a sail
The same thought crossed my mind, but I am no builder, so I will leave that to those that are.
__________________
Ron
ronbrad62 is online now   Reply With Quote


Thanks from:--->
Old 02-22-2020, 12:36 PM   #37
Mike Twangzer
is One Chatty Farker
 
Join Date: 06-20-14
Location: Moorpark Californis
Default foundation

Quote:
Originally Posted by AUswimKC View Post
So....uh.....ummmm.....uh..... I think you need a better foundation than those blocks. One for downward load. But especially for upward. You’re effectively building a sail
Maybe the posts/blocks are set in cement a couple of feet deep ?
Mike Twangzer is online now   Reply With Quote


Thanks from:--->
Old 02-22-2020, 12:47 PM   #38
Czarbecue
Babbling Farker

 
Czarbecue's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-24-17
Location: Monroe, GA
Name/Nickname : Viet King Cong
Default

You seem to be assimilating into the mid-west pretty well!
__________________
Boathouse Smokers Big Black Cabinet
Weber Ranch Kettle
Pit Boss Vertical Smoker
Tejas Smokers Triple Burner Hot Plate
Roccbox Pizza Oven
Blackstone 36" & 17" Griddle
Czarbecue is offline   Reply With Quote


Thanks from:--->
Old 02-22-2020, 01:00 PM   #39
AUswimKC
Knows what a fatty is.
 
Join Date: 08-15-19
Location: Roswell, GA
Name/Nickname : AUswimKC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Twangzer View Post
Maybe the posts/blocks are set in cement a couple of feet deep ?


There’s no way to embed those blocks in concrete. Besides we can see the bottom. In addition those blocks do not have mechanical attachment to the posts, the posts just fit into an indent. Even if the blocks were embedded there is zero uplift resistance.

As you’ve started to suggest the correct tie down is a foundation 18-24” deep with hold down post anchors embedded. Those anchors are then bolted to the posts. They also sell bases that get anchored into the foundation then bolted to the post. Both provide uplift capacities.

This configuration is almost as bad as it can be. The building and the fence effectively stop wind that blows in the front from escaping. This increases the pressure upward exponentially. Without a fence or building it is still a sail and needs holddowns, but those enclosures really hurt.

Things are built like this all the time and survive for a long time. However, when that gust comes the results can be not pretty. I’ve seen pergolas without roofs picked up and moved - I am assuming this will have a solid roof.

Last edited by AUswimKC; 02-22-2020 at 01:13 PM..
AUswimKC is offline   Reply With Quote


1 members found this post helpful.
Old 02-22-2020, 01:55 PM   #40
BillN
somebody shut me the fark up.

 
BillN's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-14-16
Location: St David, Az.
Name/Nickname : Bill
Default

When I have built similar shed roof shelters I used 6 X 6 treated post and direct buried them 30% of their overall length with 3 to 4 bags of post pix for each post. Then all rafters/beams are through bolted into the post with at least 3 - 1/2" or 5/8" bolts. Use
Joist hangers and/or H25's on the rest of the rafters and/or purlins for wind load based on your design.

As AUswimKC said you currently are building a sail here.
__________________
Bill, from Cochise County Arizona
LSG 24 X 36 Horizonatal Offset w/warming oven,
32" fire pit with swinging cooking grate,
PK 360 w/Grill Grates
BillN is offline   Reply With Quote


Old 02-22-2020, 02:08 PM   #41
SirPorkaLot
Quintessential Chatty Farker
 
Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
Name/Nickname : John
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AUswimKC View Post
So....uh.....ummmm.....uh..... I think you need a better foundation than those blocks. One for downward load. But especially for upward. You’re effectively building a sail


Got ground anchors in 6 places.
__________________
John: Sir Porkalot BBQ Team
*Humphrey’s Pint Elite*COS Stickburner *Weber Performer*Baby WSM (14.5")*Various Weber Kettles*Cast Iron Cue-Grill*Blackstone Griddle
Co-Owner of Naturiffic.com <<Shop here>>
SirPorkaLot is offline   Reply With Quote


Thanks from: --->
Old 02-22-2020, 02:09 PM   #42
SirPorkaLot
Quintessential Chatty Farker
 
Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
Name/Nickname : John
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AUswimKC View Post
There’s no way to embed those blocks in concrete. Besides we can see the bottom. In addition those blocks do not have mechanical attachment to the posts, the posts just fit into an indent. Even if the blocks were embedded there is zero uplift resistance.

As you’ve started to suggest the correct tie down is a foundation 18-24” deep with hold down post anchors embedded. Those anchors are then bolted to the posts. They also sell bases that get anchored into the foundation then bolted to the post. Both provide uplift capacities.

This configuration is almost as bad as it can be. The building and the fence effectively stop wind that blows in the front from escaping. This increases the pressure upward exponentially. Without a fence or building it is still a sail and needs holddowns, but those enclosures really hurt.

Things are built like this all the time and survive for a long time. However, when that gust comes the results can be not pretty. I’ve seen pergolas without roofs picked up and moved - I am assuming this will have a solid roof.


I appreciate your concern.

There are 6 ground anchors in which are connected to the 6 vertical posts.
Roof panels will fly off before the shelter goes anywhere


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
John: Sir Porkalot BBQ Team
*Humphrey’s Pint Elite*COS Stickburner *Weber Performer*Baby WSM (14.5")*Various Weber Kettles*Cast Iron Cue-Grill*Blackstone Griddle
Co-Owner of Naturiffic.com <<Shop here>>
SirPorkaLot is offline   Reply With Quote


Old 02-22-2020, 02:14 PM   #43
BillN
somebody shut me the fark up.

 
BillN's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-14-16
Location: St David, Az.
Name/Nickname : Bill
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirPorkaLot View Post
I appreciate your concern.

There are 6 ground anchors in which are connected to the 6 vertical posts.
Roof panels will fly off before the shelter goes anywhere


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Keep in mind the structure can rack and literally lay over, seen this happen to neighbor that used this anchoring system, make sure to use cross bracing on the sides and back to prevent this.
__________________
Bill, from Cochise County Arizona
LSG 24 X 36 Horizonatal Offset w/warming oven,
32" fire pit with swinging cooking grate,
PK 360 w/Grill Grates
BillN is offline   Reply With Quote


Thanks from:--->
Old 02-22-2020, 02:32 PM   #44
SirPorkaLot
Quintessential Chatty Farker
 
Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
Name/Nickname : John
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillN View Post
Keep in mind the structure can rack and literally lay over, seen this happen to neighbor that used this anchoring system, make sure to use cross bracing on the sides and back to prevent this.


Yup!
Tied off the the garage in two areas and 2x10 cross bracing.
__________________
John: Sir Porkalot BBQ Team
*Humphrey’s Pint Elite*COS Stickburner *Weber Performer*Baby WSM (14.5")*Various Weber Kettles*Cast Iron Cue-Grill*Blackstone Griddle
Co-Owner of Naturiffic.com <<Shop here>>
SirPorkaLot is offline   Reply With Quote


Thanks from: --->
Old 02-22-2020, 02:37 PM   #45
Sid Post
is One Chatty Farker
 
Join Date: 05-31-13
Location: East Texas, USA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillN View Post
Keep in mind the structure can rack and literally lay over, seen this happen to neighbor that used this anchoring system, make sure to use cross bracing on the sides and back to prevent this.
Yes, 2-force members, to support wind loads and gravity.

Think about old school railroad trestles or corner posts on a barb wire fence.
__________________
Shirley 24x42, Evie Mae patio, a 'herd' of WSM's, 26" Weber Kettle, ...
Sid Post is offline   Reply With Quote


Thanks from: --->
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Forum Custom Search: Enter your Search text below. GOOGLE will search ONLY the BBQ Brethren Forum.
Custom search MAY not work(no display box) in some configurations of Internet Explorer. Please use compliant version of Firefox or Chrome.







All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
2003 -2012 © BBQ-Brethren Inc. All rights reserved. All Content and Flaming Pig Logo are registered and protected under U.S and International Copyright and Trademarks. Content Within this Website Is Property of BBQ Brethren Inc. Reproduction or alteration is strictly prohibited.
no new posts