New KCBS scoresheet

What did they change?

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It is a lot nicer being able to compare tables and what teams you were up against on the same table etc...

I like the format much better and it is cleaner than the old "typewriter" printouts.

It is the same format as what is shown in this thread.

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143325

I like it

About damn time....

I like it, I had great ribs and was the #1 on that table but they trashed everyone on the table. Looking over the other categories with one exemptions they beat up on all their boxes. Proves the long held theory..."sometimes it IS the table you end up on!

Gave us more to over analyze on the ride home yesterday :becky:. I like it. Very cool to see how you faired at he table an who else was at the table.

The judges that give EVERYONE low scores really stand out now. A lot more data to look at now. You can see what teams you were up against, whether you went against those teams at multiple tables, how each judge scored each team.

It also gives us more stuff to wonder about :becky: Like in Troy, NY today we were ranked 1st on every table our product landed on, but 4th overall in the contest. Was it the product? Did we just hit a low scoring table? Our ribs were middle of the pack overall, but still won the table that they were on. How much did the table we hit influence the result?

There is a lot more data, and a lot more possibilities to consider now, and I'm sure there will be many discussions. opcorn:

It made us dislike table five.

CBQ said:

The judges that give EVERYONE low scores really stand out now. :

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and I hope the judges that hand out high scores stand out as well.

We like it. Much better than the old one.

We liked the new format, now if it could only teach me how to cook brisket

Now they need to get a print out in each judges hand.

Basted moral support guy said:

It made us dislike table five.

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Oh snap! Now everyone will hate table 5 as much as they hate judge #6, lol.

Balls Casten said:

and I hope the judges that hand out high scores stand out as well.

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Aren't many of those in New England :becky: A team from here goes down south, and it adds 20-30 points to your score.


I really do like the new system, gives us a lot of good feedback. They also handed the teams a note saying that comment cards were not integrated with the new software, and would (as least temporarily) stop being used. (Our rep told us the new numbering scheme made it harder to track the comment cards.) I do like the cards, but they don't get used often enough, and the new scoring system does give you a lot of useful information, so it's not a bad trade off. I wouldn't mind seeing them come back, but I suspect KCBS wanted to drop them anyway. I'm sure that they could have figured out how to track the cards if they wanted to.

Now the question is: is this information also going to be used to evaluate judge's performance? Judges that, for example, give everyone a 7 all the time (or a 9) will be exposed here. Maybe those judges need to attend the CBJ course again. Mike from Lakeside is now retired from BBQ and making beer. He tells me that beer judges have to pass a certification exam, one that is quite difficult. Maybe a "lite" version of that asking questions about the KCBS rules, even an online test taken periodically, would be a good thing. Taste is subjective, but people mark down for things they shouldn't like the number of pieces (over 6), smoke ring, meat temp - a periodic validation that people understand the rules wouldn't be a bad thing.

One thing we heard in Troy from a judge, after the turns ins. They heard another judge say they mark down for less than 8 pieces of meat, because they want the "table captains to have a choice too." I'm sorry, but that is a little over the top for me. 6 pieces is the requirement. I judged this contest last year, and spoke directly to a judge that was marking down for 6 pieces. I explained that for chicken we liked to include the biggest, meatiest pieces of chicken we could find to give the judges the most flavor, and if we find what we want, we can't fit more than 6 in the box. We prep more pieces, and it doesn't mean we don't have more that are turn in quality, but we can only fit six unless they want us to do the little trimmed balls 'o chicken thing. THAT judge, at least, later told me she hadn't thought of it that way and now no longer marks down for that.

Anyway, the now scoring system could be used to detect "problem judges", will be interesting to see what happens with it.

I really liked the new printouts and getting more information. I thought it was interesting for us this weekend at a smaller contest we were frequently with the same teams at the table. This makes sense, since they try to not give the same table the same teams food. We had a couple of judges really give low scores that were not consistent with the rest of the table and I had hoped that would be consistent with other teams, but it did not appear so this time. Any time you get more information, it's helpful.

Eggspert

Eggspert said:

.. we were frequently with the same teams at the table. This makes sense, since they try to not give the same table the same teams food. We had a couple of judges really give low scores that were not consistent with the rest of the table and I had hoped that would be consistent with other teams, but it did not appear so this time. Any time you get more information, it's helpful.

Eggspert

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In principle I agree but I really feel for the contest reps and responsible parties at contests that will have to field all the complaints this will generate. Information can be a liability not a benefit.

Eggspert said:

We had a couple of judges really give low scores that were not consistent with the rest of the table and I had hoped that would be consistent with other teams, but it did not appear so this time.
Eggspert

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So these judges gave you low scores and not the other teams? I'm guessing they didn't like your entry.